Inner struggle (now Zoom)

    • DemonRax
      DemonRax
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2009 Posts: 44
      Hi all.

      My name is Andzhey (or Angei if you like). Couple of words about myself. I am almost 32 years old, got PhD in nuclear physics, worked for more than 8 years in ALICE collaboration at CERN/LHC. I quit last year and we moved to Germany with my wife and son. It's a long story and the bottom line is - I have some time now for poker. I had (and still have) many interests and hobbys in my life, currently I'm focused on my son, my poker and my guitar.

      I've been playing poker for almost 3 years now and had no major success. I played at PartyPoker at first, then came to PokerStars where I still play now. I begun with full-ring cash games with some freerolls/cheap MTTs, then at PokerStars I tried to play some SNGs/DoNs/HU SNGs, but switched back to 6max cash games and I decided to stick with it. It's been almost 2 years since I commited myself fully to 6max NLHE, I've played NL2-NL50, going up and falling down a number of times. I had couple of good runs, they were probably just a long upswing periods up to 80k hands.

      I studied a lot and I believe I got some knowledge for micros. I spent (and keep spending) a lot of time on working off the tables and I put as much volume on the tables as I can. I play 4-8 tables, 2-4 hours per day, analysing my sessions, working throu stats, and of course reading a lot, watching videos, making notes. I prefer to make real pen-and-paper notes, it feels better, and I just finished my third notebook, filled with notes and analysis...

      My recent effort brought me to the point where I just stuck right now. And it's the main reason I finally decided to start a blog here, at PokerStrategy. For almost two weeks I been playing with pen and paper-notebook, writing down every single mistake I made in the game. Apparently there were not too many types of mistakes I made, but three of them were most important and coslty. They all are the river plays: bluffing, check/calling and bet/calling. Now, the problem is the following. Its quite obvious that these mistakes are crucial and of course I didn't invent them just now. I had them before and I recognized them as well. What bothers me that I seems to not be able to fix them - not in the past, not now.

      Today I also read Verneer's post about the guy who can't do what he said to. It made me wonder if its really a mental problem which has to be solved. This is pretty much the main thing I have in mind right now. It's the ultimate struggle with myself.

      Another problem I consider worth working on is my instability. My bankroll managment is 30 BIs and it seems to make me feel under pressure when I climb up to higher limit. So I decided to make some changes and start this blog. The main reason for now - I am going to post all the hands with those three mistakes that I mentioned: river bluffs and river calls. I am going to do this on daily basis and I would appreciate any comments on those from you guys. For now I really feel little frustrated and I feel like I need some help.

      Also I'm going to change my banrkoll managment to 60 BI (and 50 BI to drop down), so with bankroll of 500$ I am rolled for nosebleed NL5 right now and think its a good start. Well, that's it for now, thanks for stopping by, hope to see you guys around. And good luck!

      Andzhey.

      Some links:
      PokerTableRatings graph: http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/demonrax
      First blog/diary, its in Russian: http://demonrax.blogspot.com/
      My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/DemonRax47
  • 33 replies
    • DemonRax
      DemonRax
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2009 Posts: 44
      March-May 2012, Zoom Graphs and stats NL5-NL50








      December 2011 - March 2012, NL10, NL16, NL25












    • DemonRax
      DemonRax
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2009 Posts: 44
      I hope I gonna need it... someday...
    • DemonRax
      DemonRax
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2009 Posts: 44
      Aaaand the last one...
    • verneer
      verneer
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.08.2009 Posts: 366
      Originally posted by DemonRax
      Aaaand the last one...
      What are these?
    • DemonRax
      DemonRax
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2009 Posts: 44
      These are reserved posts for future additions :) I'm going to start posting some hands tomorrow, today I took a break.
    • Sinnology
      Sinnology
      Global
      Joined: 10.08.2009 Posts: 994
      Hello bro!
      Nice to see you finally coming here and make a blog.
      Am sure your blog will attract many visitors and it will keep me into updating mine more often for sure.
      I already told ya that we have similar stuff and more than anything else its emotional shit wlle need to take care and improvements will come.
      It must beake thru one day, and I feel it will be sooner than later.

      Cya around.
    • DemonRax
      DemonRax
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2009 Posts: 44
      Added some graphs and stats at the top, right here.

      Sinnology, hi! Thanks, man, appreciate it.
    • promys
      promys
      Silver
      Joined: 30.07.2009 Posts: 524
      At last! Glad to see you here ))
    • DemonRax
      DemonRax
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2009 Posts: 44
      Originally posted by promys
      At last! Glad to see you here ))
      Thanks, man, you too :)
    • DemonRax
      DemonRax
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2009 Posts: 44
      Looks like I won't be able to play today, so I'm gonna post some analysis and hands from previous sessions. Here are my graphs on "river check/call", "river bet/call" and "river bluffs" (bluffs with air-type hands, high cards, sometimes bottom pairs etc).









      As far as I can tell these are my biggest black holes in my game. I wouldn't say "leaks" because I'm sure there are more smaller leaks beside these huge holes. And the biggest one is "check/calling river" with a bluff catch hand. "Bet/calling" is a bluff-catching as well, so I will probably name them both as a bluff catch move (BC).

      So what is the problem? one might ask. I dunno. Most of the time I realize that I am at BC spot if I face a bet or a raise on the river. But for some reason(s) I talk myself into a call. Sometimes I have some good reason, like "aggro-bluff-happy opponent" or "his value range is pretty thin, he might have more %% of weaker hands" etc. But most of the time it's a pure BC with relative garbage.

      Now it would've be pretty easy to learn to fold if everytime I call I see the nuts. But I've seen so many crappy hands people shove that I am always suspicous. Here's an example:


      Hand #1
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP2:
      $25.00
      MP3:
      $7.80
      CO:
      $30.39
      BU:
      $42.49
      SB (Hero):
      $48.65
      BB:
      $15.70


      Preflop: Hero is SB with A, T.
      3 folds, BU calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.00, BB folds, BU calls $0.75.

      Flop: ($2.25) 3, J, T (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $2.14, Hero calls $2.14.

      Turn: ($6.53) 7 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $6.21, Hero calls $6.21.

      River: ($18.95) 4 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $18.02, Hero calls $18.02.

      Final Pot: $54.99.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of tens(A T).
      BU shows high card king(6 K).

      Hero wins with a pair of tens(A T).


      I don't want to bring up stats at this point, because it's not about decisions right now, I just want to draw the whole picture. Of course stats at the table are very important and I will put them later with the hands I would like to share.

      Anyways, I can give some more examples like this, here're some more:


      Hand #2
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP2 (Hero):
      $25.00
      MP3:
      $25.00
      CO:
      $33.59
      BU:
      $9.76
      SB:
      $23.22
      BB:
      $26.08


      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, J.
      Hero raises to $1.00, 3 folds, SB calls $0.90, BB folds.

      Flop: ($2.25) 2, J, 3 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $1.60, SB raises to $3.20, Hero raises to $8.30, SB calls $5.10.

      Turn: ($18.85) J (2 players)
      SB bets $5.50, Hero raises to $15.70, SB calls $8.42(All-In).

      River: ($48.47) T (2 players)

      Final Pot: $48.47.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows three of a kind, jacks(A J).
      SB shows two pairs, jacks and sixes(6 6).

      Hero wins with three of a kind, jacks(A J).


      Then it comes to silly calls like this:


      Hand #3
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $31.38
      BU:
      $40.14
      SB:
      $25.10
      BB (Hero):
      $26.18
      MP2:
      $25.12
      MP3:
      $20.25


      Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, BU raises to $2.60, SB folds, Hero calls $2.35, CO folds.

      Flop: ($6.05) A, 3, 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $4.25, Hero calls $4.25.

      Turn: ($14.55) J (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $8.00, Hero calls $8.00.

      River: ($30.55) T (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $14.25, Hero calls $11.33.

      Final Pot: $56.13.
      Results follow:

      BU shows a pair of tens(7 T).
      Hero shows a pair of kings(K K).

      Hero wins with a pair of kings(K K).


      And here we go. I don't trust them anymore. It can be one hand in a tens/hundreds but I still remember it very well. And I start calling too much again, no matter how hard I worked before to stop that. Now, I realize deep inside that if I just fold everytime I will be doing better. Even if I fold all the spots I'm ahead and lose some value, still those when I'm behind cost me much more when I end up callin.

      All in all it comes to this kind of embarassing calls. Sometimes it's not that obvious fold:


      Hand #4
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3 (Hero):
      $27.14
      CO:
      $26.37
      BU:
      $41.33
      SB:
      $37.49
      BB:
      $20.70


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J, A.
      Hero raises to $1.00, CO calls $1.00, BU calls $1.00, SB calls $0.90, BB folds.

      Flop: ($4.25) A, 6, 7 (4 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $2.80, CO calls $2.80, BU folds, SB folds.

      Turn: ($9.85) J (2 players)
      Hero bets $6.30, CO calls $6.30.

      River: ($22.45) Q (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $16.27(All-In), Hero calls $16.27.

      Final Pot: $54.99.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, aces and jacks(J A).
      CO shows three of a kind, sevens(7 7).

      CO wins with three of a kind, sevens(7 7).


      But most of the time it goes like this:


      Hand #5
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      SB:
      $121.77
      BB:
      $25.89
      MP2 (Hero):
      $176.18
      MP3:
      $29.61
      CO:
      $26.45
      BU:
      $128.61


      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, K.
      Hero raises to $1.00, 2 folds, BU calls $1.00, SB folds, BB calls $0.75.

      Flop: ($3.1) J, 6, 6 (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $2.80, BU calls $2.80, BB folds.

      Turn: ($8.7) 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $5.80, BU raises to $13.50, Hero calls $7.70.

      River: ($35.7) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $30.80, Hero calls $30.80.

      Final Pot: $97.3.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, kings and eights(K K).
      BU shows four of a kind, sixes(6 6).

      BU wins with four of a kind, sixes(6 6).



      Hand #6
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      SB (Hero):
      $85.72
      BB:
      $60.53
      MP2:
      $61.15
      MP3:
      $71.45
      CO:
      $67.03
      BU:
      $87.47


      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q.
      3 folds, BU raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, BB folds, BU calls $1.75.

      Flop: ($5.25) J, 7, 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.30, BU calls $3.30.

      Turn: ($11.85) T (2 players)
      Hero bets $6.20, BU raises to $14.50, Hero calls $8.30.

      River: ($40.85) 6 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $19.00, Hero calls $19.00.

      Final Pot: $78.85.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of queens(Q Q).
      BU shows three of a kind, tens(T T).

      BU wins with three of a kind, tens(T T).



      Hand #7
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $62.05
      SB:
      $62.00
      BB:
      $72.27
      MP2:
      $69.23
      MP3 (Hero):
      $64.79
      CO:
      $158.41


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9, 9.
      MP2 folds, Hero raises to $1.00, CO folds, BU calls $1.00, 2 folds, BB folds.

      Flop: ($2.35) 5, 9, 3 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.80, BU raises to $4.50, Hero calls $2.70.

      Turn: ($11.35) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50.

      River: ($26.35) 2 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $26.00, Hero calls $26.00.

      Final Pot: $78.35.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows three of a kind, nines(9 9).
      BU shows a flush, nine high(4 2).

      BU wins with a flush, nine high(4 2).


      In those last spots opps were pretty eager to value-bet me with strong, but not the best hands. And I found myself able to paid them off even with worse hands. Which doesn't help to feel good about my game.

      Well, of course it doesn't happen all the time. But that's enough for me to be a losing player. What kind of mental trick do I need to control my actions in those spots? I wouldn't say I do it in a fog or something. I usually stop before clicking, consider my actions, ranges and odds, sometimes I even come to a conclusion that I'm too often behind to make this call +EV. And still I hesitate a little - and call.
    • novelsound
      novelsound
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.05.2009 Posts: 50
      Just don't play deeper than 100bb
    • DemonRax
      DemonRax
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2009 Posts: 44
      Originally posted by novelsound
      Just don't play deeper than 100bb
      You wrote "just" like it's an ultimate solution. But it's not. I just posted some examples from DS tables, but I have plenty of them at normal 100bb tables as well. It might cut my losses but it will just diminish the problem instead of getting rid of it.


      Hand #8
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $30.41
      BU:
      $18.32
      SB (Hero):
      $37.72
      BB:
      $12.04
      MP2:
      $27.06
      MP3:
      $27.70


      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q.
      MP2 raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50.

      Flop: ($2.25) 8, J, T (3 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 bets $1.40, Hero raises to $4.50, BB folds, MP2 calls $3.10.

      Turn: ($11.25) 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP2 checks.

      River: ($11.25) 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $7.50, MP2 raises to $20.40, Hero calls $12.90.

      Final Pot: $52.05.
      Results follow:

      MP2 shows a full-house, jacks full of eights(J J).
      Hero shows a straight, queen high(Q Q).

      MP2 wins with a full-house, jacks full of eights(J J).



      Hand #9
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP2:
      $17.06
      MP3 (Hero):
      $25.00
      CO:
      $9.65
      BU:
      $28.57
      SB:
      $25.33
      BB:
      $52.72


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, K.
      MP2 folds, Hero raises to $0.90, CO folds, BU calls $0.90, 2 folds, BB folds.

      Flop: ($2.15) A, 3, 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.40, BU raises to $4.00, Hero calls $2.60.

      Turn: ($10.15) Q (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU checks.

      River: ($10.15) T (2 players)
      Hero bets $5.00, BU raises to $23.67(All-In), Hero calls $15.10.

      Final Pot: $53.92.
      Results follow:

      BU shows a flush, queen high(8 7).
      Hero shows a pair of aces(A K).

      BU wins with a flush, queen high(8 7).



      Hand #10
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BU (Hero):
      $25.00
      SB:
      $25.77
      BB:
      $46.62
      MP2:
      $25.35
      MP3:
      $21.77
      CO:
      $52.75


      Preflop: Hero is BU with A, A.
      MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.75, CO folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1.75.

      Flop: ($5.35) Q, 2, 4 (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero checks.

      Turn: ($5.35) K (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero bets $3.30, MP3 calls $3.30.

      River: ($11.95) 7 (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero bets $6.50, MP3 raises to $15.97, Hero calls $9.47.

      Final Pot: $43.89.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of aces(A A).
      MP3 shows two pairs, queens and sevens(7 Q).

      MP3 wins with two pairs, queens and sevens(7 Q).



      Hand #11
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $39.05
      CO:
      $27.04
      BU:
      $30.21
      SB (Hero):
      $25.00
      BB:
      $33.44


      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q.
      2 folds, BU raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $2.25, BU calls $1.75.

      Flop: ($7.5) J, K, K (3 players)
      Hero bets $4.50, BB folds, BU calls $4.50.

      Turn: ($16.5) 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU checks.

      River: ($16.5) 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets $6.50, BU raises to $23.21(All-In), Hero calls $11.50.

      Final Pot: $57.71.
      Results follow:

      BU shows a full-house, jacks full of kings(J J).
      Hero shows two pairs, kings and queens(Q Q).

      BU wins with a full-house, jacks full of kings(J J).



      Hand #12
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $19.35
      SB:
      $36.70
      BB:
      $25.00
      MP3 (Hero):
      $27.26
      CO:
      $24.65


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, T.
      Hero raises to $1.00, CO calls $1.00, 3 folds, 2 folds, BB folds.

      Flop: ($2.35) 9, 5, T (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.40, CO calls $1.40.

      Turn: ($5.15) A (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.90, CO calls $3.90.

      River: ($12.95) J (2 players)
      Hero bets $5.80, CO raises to $14.75, Hero calls $8.95.

      Final Pot: $42.45.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, aces and tens(A T).
      CO shows three of a kind, fives(5 5).

      CO wins with three of a kind, fives(5 5).
    • DemonRax
      DemonRax
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2009 Posts: 44
      Played 2 sessions today at NL5, 1 hour each, 6 and 8 tables, ~1100 hands total, made 7 mistakes for ~300bb. Here they are:

      - bluff c/r turn, bluff river 45bb

      Hand #13
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      SB:
      $10.93
      BB (Hero):
      $5.49
      MP3:
      $5.04
      CO:
      $5.74
      BU:
      $5.00


      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, A.
      2 folds, BU raises to $0.12, SB folds, Hero calls $0.07.

      Flop: ($0.26) T, 2, K (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12.

      Turn: ($0.5) 7 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $0.36, Hero raises to $0.92, BU calls $0.56.

      River: ($2.34) 3 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.20, BU calls $1.20.

      Final Pot: $4.74.
      Results follow:

      BU shows a pair of kings(Q K).
      Hero shows high card ace(Q A).

      BU wins with a pair of kings(Q K).

      Opps stats over 50 hands are like 20/20, pretty passive, not much else can tell, sample is too small. I cold-called AQo because didn't want to raise and play in a 3bet-pot vs unknown OOP. On the flop with GS+BDFD I decided to check/call his 1/2 pot-size bet. It looked pretty weak on this board, he might had any PP, any Kx, Tx type of hands in his c-bet range. Since I hold suited A and a Q he can't have to many draws, but still they are there.

      On the blank turn I decided to bluff check/raise since I can't really call anymore with a pure GS. I think it would be better to check/raise flop and if I did it on turn - I shoul've raise bigger. Anyway, he called and his range now I think is medium strength made hand (Kx mostly) and draws. I think he would've re-raised with 2 pairs or stronger.

      Now on the river flush hit and I decided to bluff 1/2 pot, making it look like a value bet. First of all, since I flush came and I hold suited Ace, I thought he will more often have Kx in his range than a flush draw. Secondly, I have an A-high which has low SD-value here. So it's either check/fold or bluff here.

      If I'm sure there are enough Kx in his range and I'm sure he's able to fold it - then it might be a good bluff. There are not many draws hit actually, QJ,Q9,Q8,J9,J8, maybe some occasional 98,65,54,86... and that's pretty much it. So his range is more weighted towards Kx type of hands. But the quesion is - is he capable of folding those Kx hands? I'm not sure. Still I decided to bet.

      - bluff turn, bluff river 33bb

      Hand #14
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP2:
      $12.43
      MP3 (Hero):
      $5.42
      CO:
      $10.62
      BU:
      $5.36
      SB:
      $4.97
      BB:
      $5.00


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, Q.
      MP2 raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 4 folds, 3 folds, 2 folds, BB folds.

      Flop: ($0.37) 9, 3, K (2 players)
      MP2 bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15.

      Turn: ($0.67) 5 (2 players)
      MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.46, MP2 calls $0.46.

      River: ($1.59) 2 (2 players)
      MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.84, MP2 calls $0.84.

      Final Pot: $3.27.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows high card ace(A Q).
      MP2 shows a pair of kings(K T).

      MP2 wins with a pair of kings(K T).

      Another cold-called AQo hand, the same reason not to 3bet here. Open-raise from UTG, stats are 24/21 over 50 hands, nothing else can be said. I called to keep his range as wide as I can.

      On K-high rainbow flop he c-bets and he would do it everytime. So I call to try to steal the pot later. He checked turn and I don't think he might have a lot of Kx here (as well as sets etc) because he would probably bet them to protect the hand and for value. So I thought I got decent chance to fold him out and I bet.

      He called and here he might have some weakish Kx hand, some draws and of course lower PPs, and on the blank river I thought I have enough fold equity vs his range to bluff it off.

      - delayed c-bet and river bluff

      Hand #15
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $12.98
      SB:
      $5.14
      BB:
      $5.00
      MP2:
      $5.38
      MP3 (Hero):
      $5.01
      CO:
      $4.32


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T, K.
      MP2 folds, Hero raises to $0.18, CO folds, BU calls $0.18, 2 folds, BB folds.

      Flop: ($0.43) 7, 9, 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU checks.

      Turn: ($0.43) A (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.30, BU calls $0.30.

      River: ($1.03) 6 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.66, BU raises to $2.65, Hero folds, BU gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $1.69.

      Here I open-raised KTo from MP, pretty loose, but SB/BB were pretty tight and the 55/35 fish was on the BU, so I hoped he might call with weaker hands. He did call and I'm OOP on the flop. Which wasn't the best flop for a c-bet, so I checked, planning to call one bet and evaluate turn. He checked back though and I decided to make a delayed c-bet into A on the turn. He called. River made board even more coordinated and I thought about check/folding it, but decided to bluff it anyways.

      - overpair BC call river 92bb

      Hand #16
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (4 handed)

      Known players:
      BU (Hero):
      $6.84
      SB:
      $6.51
      BB:
      $4.73
      CO:
      $15.78


      Preflop: Hero is BU with A, A.
      CO raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, 2 folds, CO calls $0.35.

      Flop: ($1.07) 8, 8, K (2 players)
      CO checks, Hero bets $0.70, CO calls $0.70.

      Turn: ($2.47) 6 (2 players)
      CO bets $1.18, Hero calls $1.18.

      River: ($4.83) 3 (2 players)
      CO bets $4.63, Hero calls $4.46(All-In).

      Final Pot: $13.92.
      Results follow:

      CO shows four of a kind, eights(8 8).
      Hero shows two pairs, aces and eights(A A).

      CO wins with four of a kind, eights(8 8).

      This river call was pretty stupid, the only thing I can say - it was because his timing. He insta shoved it and I thought he wouldn't do that with trips and flushes, so it's only 88, KK, 66 (33? hmm) which is pretty narrow range. Anyways, "if the line makes any sense it doesn't mean it's not a value-line" - no excuse for this one.

      - stacking off JJ preflop vs gay-4bet 76bb

      Hand #17
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      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      SB:
      $5.11
      BB:
      $5.77
      MP2:
      $8.10
      MP3:
      $5.15
      CO (Hero):
      $5.00
      BU:
      $1.53


      Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J.
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.18, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.20, BB raises to $3.00, Hero raises to $5.18, BB calls $2.05.

      Flop: ($10.02) 8, T, T (2 players)

      Turn: ($10.02) 3 (2 players)

      River: ($10.02) Q (2 players)

      Final Pot: $10.02.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, jacks and tens(J J).
      BB shows two pairs, aces and tens(A A).

      BB wins with two pairs, aces and tens(A A).

      This guy had 2 out of 4 3bets and he made min-4bet. This is obviously a fold, it's AK at the best case, but most of the time QQ+, even just KK-AA. No excuses for this one as well.

      - bluff c/r flop, give up turn 20

      Hand #18
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $5.29
      BU:
      $7.77
      SB (Hero):
      $5.17
      BB:
      $3.85
      MP3:
      $1.56


      Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 9.
      2 folds, BU raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, BB folds, BU calls $0.35.

      Flop: ($1.05) T, A, T (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $0.20, Hero raises to $1.20, BU calls $1.00.

      Turn: ($3.45) K (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $1.60, Hero folds, BU gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $3.45.

      I thought it might be a good spot to check/raise, since flop is so scary. When he called - it's never a draw, so I just gave up.

      - value-betting myself with 3rd pair 10bb

      Hand #19
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      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (4 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $7.38
      SB:
      $6.99
      BB:
      $5.00
      CO (Hero):
      $5.15


      Preflop: Hero is CO with T, J.
      Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, BB calls $0.15.

      Flop: ($0.42) K, 7, J (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks.

      Turn: ($0.42) A (2 players)
      BB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25.

      River: ($0.92) 5 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.52, BB calls $0.52.

      Final Pot: $1.96.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of jacks(T J).
      BB shows a pair of aces(A 9).

      BB wins with a pair of aces(A 9).

      This spot is an easy check-behind on the river I think. Don't know why I decided to fire 3rd bet on the river, maybe I wanted to fold out some Kx hands. Pretty bad spot for a thin-value bet.
    • DemonRax
      DemonRax
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2009 Posts: 44
      Wow, guys! It works :) Even no one actually responded. But I spent almost one hour yesterday putting those hands together and writing them down into a blog-post. And today while I was playing I was always thinking that I don't want to spend so much time again. So I made less mistakes - can you believe this? :s_pleased:

      Anyways, I played 3 sessions at NL5, 40 minutes each, around 1400 hands in total, and made just one mistake per session for 120bb. Here they are:

      - calling down with TPGK 20bb

      Hand #20
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $12.55
      BU:
      $9.80
      SB (Hero):
      $5.09
      BB:
      $4.79
      MP3:
      $2.12


      Preflop: Hero is SB with J, K.
      MP3 folds, CO raises to $0.10, BU folds, Hero calls $0.08, BB folds.

      Flop: ($0.25) K, 4, 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15.

      Turn: ($0.55) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25.

      River: ($1.05) 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50.

      Final Pot: $2.05.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, kings and fives(J K).
      CO shows two pairs, kings and fives(K Q).

      CO wins with two pairs, kings and fives(K Q).

      I decided that KJ on Kxx board is worth 2 streets of value, but since opp was betting half pot I just called down. His range for 3 streets of barreling is KQ and better or pure bluffs. I doubt he would turn into a bluff some 99-QQ or other weaker made hand. So the question is - how many bluff hands can he have there? He might have some in his CO open-raise range, but still. I think I might find a fold here on the river until I get some reads/notes on Villain.

      - bluff catching river call 60bb

      Hand #21
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      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $3.82
      BU:
      $5.00
      SB:
      $12.27
      BB (Hero):
      $5.00
      MP2:
      $5.56
      MP3:
      $5.00


      Preflop: Hero is BB with T, T.
      4 folds, SB raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.35.

      Flop: ($1) J, 9, J (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks.

      Turn: ($1) 7 (2 players)
      SB bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75.

      River: ($2.5) 7 (2 players)
      SB bets $1.85, Hero calls $1.85.

      Final Pot: $6.2.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, jacks and tens(T T).
      SB shows a full-house, jacks full of sevens(Q J).

      SB wins with a full-house, jacks full of sevens(Q J).

      I was just confused by his flop check being PFA. The I called two bets with a pure bluff catch hand.

      - bet/call turn, check/call river BC with TP 40bb

      Hand #22
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      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      SB:
      $5.00
      BB (Hero):
      $5.30
      MP3:
      $17.92
      CO:
      $35.91
      BU:
      $4.54


      Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, T.
      MP3 folds, CO raises to $0.17, BU calls $0.17, SB folds, Hero calls $0.12.

      Flop: ($0.53) T, 8, 2 (3 players)
      Hero checks, CO checks, BU checks.

      Turn: ($0.53) 2 (3 players)
      Hero bets $0.32, CO raises to $0.85, BU folds, Hero calls $0.53.

      River: ($2.23) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40.

      Final Pot: $5.03.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, tens and eights(9 T).
      CO shows a full-house, twos full of eights(2 A).

      CO wins with a full-house, twos full of eights(2 A).

      Another pure bluff catch hand. Two justifications of a call: Villain were pretty bluff-happy before, I saw him donking two streets with air etc. And also I thought he might raise on turn with some combo-FD-SD draws which now missed and trying to bluff off.

      Friend of mine asked me two questions yesterday. First, why I made my intro so serious and glum? I've always been (and I think I still am) a happy and optimistic guy and always made people laugh and feel better, so I could add up some fun and cheers in the blog. And second question he asked - why didn't I mention my goals and aims in poker whatsoever?

      Well, I hope if I answer his questions here he might go for it and join the PokerStrategy forum :) So here it is.

      Yes, I am a pretty happy guy and I never take things too seriously. I wrote a couple of different intros, more fun and stuff, but for some reason I decided to cut it down and keep just the most important information. I just didn't realize it became pretty dry and official. I wanted people out here to understand what I was concerned about because it's probably not just my problem but some other guys might face it as well. Anyways, I'll try not to be so serious, if someone will actually read this blog of course :s_wink:

      As for the goals... well, I honestly think that those goals most of the people post in their blogs are useless :) I mean I could write something like "I wanna be rich" or "I wanna buy a yacht and rollz-royz and stuff"... but it's not helping. I was always focused on what I do. For example, when I choosed to become a physicist I did not dreamed about being a Nobel Prize winner or something. I was just fascinated with the beautiful science and I enjoyed every minute I spent studying it.

      When I begun to learn to play guitar I didn't think of it like "Im gonna be a rockstar and go around the world rockin". Well, of course it was a nice vision how it might be, but my focus was right there and right now. I loved the instrument and it was a pleasure to practice it all night long till my fingers bleed. My goals were local - learn this, get a grasp of that, be able to play this etc.

      When I discovered Go I was completely blown away and charmed with the pureness and beauty and complexity of the game. My goal was to learn to understand it as deep as I can. And then I wanted to share with others and I did things to reach that goal.

      Well, I guess you get my point. I don't believe in a long-term-dream-like aims. I believe in more reasonable and achievable goals and I truly believe in a hard work. So if you ask me - why I still play poker, why don't I quit? Well, I just love the game and I want to understand it. More specific goals would be: get some skill and reach NL100 and be a regular there. I think this is the level when I will be able say - I got the idea. And then - we'll see what happens. I don't obsessed with money that much, it's a matter of "being better then the game is".

      Wow, it was a long post. I guess after this one nobody really would be continue reading it, haha :s_ugly: And by the way - sorry for my English, I hope it's not too confusing. Anyways, I appreciate your attention. See you guys around.
    • promys
      promys
      Silver
      Joined: 30.07.2009 Posts: 524
      Hi Dear Friend :)
      I think you posted much :f_mad: hands in previous post.
      1-2 hands is enough. Easy to check and post comments.
      You should try to adjusted to limit where you play now. Actualy on limit nl5 opponents bluff not so much time like you think. Often they play according strong of their hands. So I think you will see 2-3 steet bluff very rarely. In my oppinion you should not went to showdown in first and second example.

      Originally posted by DemonRax
      - calling down with TPGK 20bb

      Hand #20
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $12.55
      BU:
      $9.80
      SB (Hero):
      $5.09
      BB:
      $4.79
      MP3:
      $2.12


      Preflop: Hero is SB with J, K.
      MP3 folds, CO raises to $0.10, BU folds, Hero calls $0.08, BB folds.

      Flop: ($0.25) K, 4, 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15.

      Turn: ($0.55) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25.

      River: ($1.05) 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50.

      Final Pot: $2.05.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, kings and fives(J K).
      CO shows two pairs, kings and fives(K Q).

      CO wins with two pairs, kings and fives(K Q).

      I decided that KJ on Kxx board is worth 2 streets of value, but since opp was betting half pot I just called down. His range for 3 streets of barreling is KQ and better or pure bluffs. I doubt he would turn into a bluff some 99-QQ or other weaker made hand. So the question is - how many bluff hands can he have there? He might have some in his CO open-raise range, but still. I think I might find a fold here on the river until I get some reads/notes on Villain.

      Board have no any draw and looks safety (no need to defend hand by big bets).
      So If you have TPGK on such board - easy value bets 3 streets (1/3-1/2 pot bets). For get call from something like TT or Kx. I'm not belive that regular player can bet 3 times QQ on Kxx board. You should imagine how you will play every hand which you put to opponent range. So I think call river can not be good on distance.

      - bluff catching river call 60bb

      Hand #21
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      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $3.82
      BU:
      $5.00
      SB:
      $12.27
      BB (Hero):
      $5.00
      MP2:
      $5.56
      MP3:
      $5.00


      Preflop: Hero is BB with T, T.
      4 folds, SB raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.35.

      Flop: ($1) J, 9, J (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks.

      Turn: ($1) 7 (2 players)
      SB bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75.

      River: ($2.5) 7 (2 players)
      SB bets $1.85, Hero calls $1.85.

      Final Pot: $6.2.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, jacks and tens(T T).
      SB shows a full-house, jacks full of sevens(Q J).

      SB wins with a full-house, jacks full of sevens(Q J).

      I was just confused by his flop check being PFA. The I called two bets with a pure bluff catch hand.

      You can see his size bet. It's looks like strong hand and seems that he bet for value.
      He call you preflop 3bet OOP. Than bet 2 times on JJ9xx. He should understand and give you some strong hand if you 3bet and than call turn.
      I mean for example his preflop range call - 77+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QJo
      On board JJ9 you have 53% equity. But you can not think that he will bluff some thing like 77 on 2 streets. It is mean that his final range can be like JJ+,99,AJs,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,AJo,KJo+,QJo (I put man bluff hands to his range, actualy you can not sure that will be so many bluffs). And you have just 30% equity. I think fold river will be better.

      - bet/call turn, check/call river BC with TP 40bb

      Hand #22
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

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      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Known players:
      SB:
      $5.00
      BB (Hero):
      $5.30
      MP3:
      $17.92
      CO:
      $35.91
      BU:
      $4.54


      Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, T.
      MP3 folds, CO raises to $0.17, BU calls $0.17, SB folds, Hero calls $0.12.

      Flop: ($0.53) T, 8, 2 (3 players)
      Hero checks, CO checks, BU checks.

      Turn: ($0.53) 2 (3 players)
      Hero bets $0.32, CO raises to $0.85, BU folds, Hero calls $0.53.

      River: ($2.23) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40.

      Final Pot: $5.03.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, tens and eights(9 T).
      CO shows a full-house, twos full of eights(2 A).

      CO wins with a full-house, twos full of eights(2 A).

      Another pure bluff catch hand. Two justifications of a call: Villain were pretty bluff-happy before, I saw him donking two streets with air etc. And also I thought he might raise on turn with some combo-FD-SD draws which now missed and trying to bluff off.

      Ok, if you think that opponent very agessive and can bluff several streets. According that note here can be some basted draws and high cards.
    • DemonRax
      DemonRax
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2009 Posts: 44
      Hey, wsup, bro! Thanks for the input.

      Originally posted by promys
      I think you posted much :f_mad: hands in previous post. 1-2 hands is enough. Easy to check and post comments.
      Got it, will fix. I thought it won't be too many hands, I will try to choose most typical and expensive ones.

      I agree with the first hand. What about second?

      Originally posted by promys
      - bluff catching river call 60bb

      Hand #21
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

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      $0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $3.82
      BU:
      $5.00
      SB:
      $12.27
      BB (Hero):
      $5.00
      MP2:
      $5.56
      MP3:
      $5.00


      Preflop: Hero is BB with T, T.
      4 folds, SB raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.35.

      Flop: ($1) J, 9, J (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks.

      Turn: ($1) 7 (2 players)
      SB bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75.

      River: ($2.5) 7 (2 players)
      SB bets $1.85, Hero calls $1.85.

      Final Pot: $6.2.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, jacks and tens(T T).
      SB shows a full-house, jacks full of sevens(Q J).

      SB wins with a full-house, jacks full of sevens(Q J).

      I was just confused by his flop check being PFA. The I called two bets with a pure bluff catch hand.

      You can see his size bet. It's looks like strong hand and seems that he bet for value.
      Well, what would bluff-bet size look like then? Pot-size-bet? 1/5 of pot? Overbet push? My problem is not making decisions vs opp's value-bet-range. My problem is that I put them on bluffs too much.
    • promys
      promys
      Silver
      Joined: 30.07.2009 Posts: 524
      Originally posted by DemonRax
      My problem is that I put them on bluffs too much.
      Exactly!

      what would bluff-bet size look like then? Pot-size-bet? 1/5 of pot? Overbet push?
      Bad players bet 1/3 with bluff. But 2/3 or pot bet - strong.
      Regular players often bet 1/2-3/4 with strong hand. Bluff about 1/2.
      Your opponent call preflop QJo, seems it is bad player. So his big bets often will strong.
      If you do not know something about him before this hand, you also must fold river because you do not have information that he can bluff 2 streets in 3bet pot with air.
    • DemonRax
      DemonRax
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2009 Posts: 44
      Well, I been playing a lot, so I can't find time to sit down and post some hands. But I feel I do it better so we'll see what happens in a few days. Then I'll try to summarize the result if any :f_confused:

      Originally posted by promys
      Bad players bet 1/3 with bluff. But 2/3 or pot bet - strong. Regular players often bet 1/2-3/4 with strong hand. Bluff about 1/2.
      Hmmm... I don't think I can agree with that... Well, regulars think about what they do and they try to make bluff look like a value-bet. But bad players? I've seen pot-size bets with air, overbet pushes and stuff. As well as 1 or 2 bbs into a 20bb pot etc.

      Originally posted by promys
      Your opponent call preflop QJo, seems it is bad player. So his big bets often will strong. If you do not know something about him before this hand, you also must fold river because you do not have information that he can bluff 2 streets in 3bet pot with air.
      I agree with this one :)
    • promys
      promys
      Silver
      Joined: 30.07.2009 Posts: 524
      Originally posted by DemonRax
      Hmmm... I don't think I can agree with that... Well, regulars think about what they do and they try to make bluff look like a value-bet. But bad players? I've seen pot-size bets with air, overbet pushes and stuff. As well as 1 or 2 bbs into a 20bb pot etc.
      This is also part of problem which you should overcome. When I tell that I do not mean that bad players never bluff pot size bet or overbet, I mean that most time you will see there strong hand. For example 50% - strong hand, 25% - flush draw or flush draw, 25% - air (often air less than 25%).
      But your mind remember only air when you call him in such situation. Every time you have to think what your opponent play with. Some times your hand strong not so mach vs opponent range. For example in this case will be something like JJ+,99,AJs,A9s,KJs+,K9s,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,T4s,83s,74s,AJo,KJo+,K5o,QJo,Q3o,J9o+
      (many air and gatshorts and draw). This range have 52% vs 48% TT on JJ9 (if we delete some bluffs or draw, than his range will much stronger).
      So I just want to advice you in such situations put opponent on some hand range. Only after that decide how often you can win.
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