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So for example, in the pokerstrategy open raising chart for Maximum table short-handed , http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/1671/1/, it sais from UTG we should open 56s+,KJ+,AT+22+, so what i understand it is this range .

But whats confusing for me is for example KTs is better then KJo, but its not in the chart. Or for example A2s is better then KJo etc. Is there something im missing?

I didnt know where to post it beside this part of the forum. Im sorry if its the wrong part of the forum.

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But whats confusing for me is for example KTs is better then KJo, but its not in the chart. Or for example A2s is better then KJo etc. Is there something im missing?

I didnt know where to post it beside this part of the forum. Im sorry if its the wrong part of the forum.

i'm not sure when the chart was made, but i know that it's quite old. and as with any starting hand chart it has its drawbacks. i think the starting hand selection really just depends on the conditions at the table. for example if you play against a lot of people who invest money to fold later on in the hand, then a more "playable" hand like KTs or A2s might(!) be favoured over hands like KJo - because these hands allow you to maintain aggression throughout the hand. on the other hand, a hand like KJo will probably perform (marginally) better on a table full of fish for example, where the value of one pair type hands generally increases.. keep in mind that these starting hand charts were/are most likely aimed at guys who are just getting to grips with the fundamentals - it seems a bit bad for a beginner to open a hand like KTs or even A2s UTG without some good justification.

so it all boils down to your overall gameplan/approach and understanding of the game. what you've noticed is that there are very slight differences between some of those hands at the bottom of the range. KTs does have marginally higher equity against a given range than KJo does but it doesnt necessarily mean that KTs should be included in your UTG range because that would ultimately depend on the table conditions and your understanding of the game and thus your strategy.

at least this is the way i see it... keep questioning the SHC and it will definitely improve your game - it was only ever a general guideline and it should mainly go without saying that any SHC is flawed just by its definition.

i hope that makes sense!

ps. moved your thread to the general NL boards

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Yes ty very much sir, that made sense.

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I think that chart is pretty old and not very good.

This range is pretty easy to stay out of trouble with UTG, in my opinion. ATo is close, I raise it on some tables, but with a lot of good regs to act I won't (90% of the time I play on tables where raising ATo is profitable by my estimation). Also 22-44 can be folds if you're really getting trouble, but again easier to just find a good table smile

AA-22,AKo-AJo,KQo,AKs-ATs,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs,T9s,98s

However if there are fish in the blinds you can raise a ton more hands profitably from UTG, if both blinds are big fish I will be opening like 25% or so.

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