Colour Coding for Cash Games

    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Hey ladies and gents,

      I thought it would be a good idea to get a thread going for people who want to discuss colour coding for HUDs such as PT3/HEM or PS Elephant based on Cash Games.
      So Whether it's HU/6-max or FR please specify.

      For example, VPIP 6-max
      Red (REG/Good): 0.00 - 15.00
      Orange (LAG/OK player): 15.01 - 35.00
      Green (Fish/donkey): 35.01 - 100.00

      Obviously people will have opposite colours because their brain will process these in different ways but as a basis of tagging a player as a certain player would be good to add.



      I'll get the ball rolling and post some stats that "most" people would use.

      VPIP
      PFR
      AFq
      AF
      3bet PF
      F to 3bet PF
      Att to Steal
      Fold blinds to steal
      Fold BB to steal
      Fold SB to steal
      CBet Flop
      Fold to Flop CBet
      WTSD
      W$SD
      Donk Flop
      Squeeze
      Check Raise Flop

      Regards,

      Kyle.
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    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      Originally posted by justkyle88
      For example, VPIP 6-max
      Red (REG/Good): 0.00 - 15.00

      I'm no NL player, but I'm almost certain a player with a 0% VPIP can't be considered anything more than solid. :f_p:
    • Alafoe
      Alafoe
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      Yea we all only can wish to touch that high hill of having 0% VPIP...
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Originally posted by Waiboy
      Originally posted by justkyle88
      For example, VPIP 6-max
      Red (REG/Good): 0.00 - 15.00

      I'm no NL player, but I'm almost certain a player with a 0% VPIP can't be considered anything more than solid. :f_p:
      haha, I know this. but it more states the fact that we are playing against a TAG and we don't want to play against them. so someone playing 4/3 is tight and we don't want to play against tight people obviously.
      So, would you add an area in there somewhere like 0.00-2/3/4 as green/fish?
    • Joronamo
      Joronamo
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      This colour system looks familiar.
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Originally posted by Joronamo
      This colour system looks familiar.
      Yahuh. I decided to make my own HUD based on your colour system so I know how to do it for the future.
      Come on skype? wanna help?
    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      Originally posted by justkyle88
      Originally posted by Waiboy
      Originally posted by justkyle88
      For example, VPIP 6-max
      Red (REG/Good): 0.00 - 15.00

      I'm no NL player, but I'm almost certain a player with a 0% VPIP can't be considered anything more than solid. :f_p:
      haha, I know this. but it more states the fact that we are playing against a TAG and we don't want to play against them. so someone playing 4/3 is tight and we don't want to play against tight people obviously.
      So, would you add an area in there somewhere like 0.00-2/3/4 as green/fish?
      Being momentarily sans sarcasm, yes, I colour code tighter than optimal stats separately from TAG/reg stats due to the tighter ranges for easier identification.
    • opal99
      opal99
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      Originally posted by justkyle88
      someone playing 4/3 is tight and we don't want to play against tight people obviously.
      So, would you add an area in there somewhere like 0.00-2/3/4 as green/fish?
      why fish? but being OOP and able to get his blinds is always +EV

      I had 4 color levels for about 20 stats for FL SH, but i'm still NL fish...
    • cryoburn
      cryoburn
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      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 322
      NL 6-max

      HEM HUD with 5 colour coding
      (red, orange, yellow, green, pink)

      HUD Layout:

      VPIP PFR CO LC LRR H
      AF 3B Fv3B SQ WTSD WWSF
      FCB FvFCB TCB FvTCB FFCBvR
      ST SBFvST SB3BvST BBFvST BB3BvST DBF


      VPIP
      < 11 red
      < 17 orange
      < 26 yellow
      < 31 green
      < inf pink

      PFR
      < 8 red
      < 15 orange
      < 21 yellow
      < 28 green
      < inf pink

      CO (Call Open Raise)
      < 5 red
      < 13 orange
      < 20 yellow
      < 35 green
      < inf pink

      LC (Limp Call)
      < 10 red
      < 20 orange
      < 35 yellow
      < 50 green
      < inf pink

      LRR (Limp ReRaise)
      No colouring for this stat.
      Would be helpful if someone could give me some feedback on this.

      H (Hands)
      No colouring.

      AF
      < 0.75 red
      < 1.60 orange
      < 2.50 yellow
      < 3.70 green
      < inf pink

      3B
      < 2 red
      < 5 orange
      < 8 yellow
      < 11 green
      < inf pink

      Fv3B (Fold vs 3B)
      < 30 red
      < 50 orange
      < 70 yellow
      < 80 green
      < inf pink

      SQ
      < 3 red
      < 4.60 yellow
      < 7.80 orange
      < 10 green
      < inf pink

      WTSD
      < 15.00 red
      < 22.40 orange
      < 27.50 yellow
      < 32.00 green
      < inf pink

      WWSF (Won When Saw Flop)
      No color coding.
      I would appreciate if someone could enlighten me here.

      FCB (Flop CBet)
      < 35 red
      < 62 orange
      < 77 yellow
      < 85 green
      < inf pink

      FvFCB (Fold vs Flop CBet)
      < 30 red
      < 46 orange
      < 58 yellow
      < 65 green
      < inf pink

      TCB (Turn CBet)
      < 20 red
      < 38 orange
      < 49 yellow
      < 55 green
      < inf pink

      FvTCB (Fold vs Turn CBet)
      < 25 red
      < 35 orange
      < 45 yellow
      < 55 green
      < inf pink

      FFCBvR (Fold Flop CBet vs Raise)
      < 30 red
      < 41 orange
      < 56 yellow
      < 66 green
      < inf pink

      ST (Steal)
      < 15.00 red
      < 26.90 orange
      < 37.50 yellow
      < 42.00 green
      < inf pink

      SBFvST (Fold SB vs Steal)
      < 50 red
      < 74 orange
      < 85 yellow
      < 90 green
      < inf pink

      SB3BvST (3B SB vs Steal)
      < 5 red
      < 8 orange
      < 10 yellow
      < 14 green
      < inf pink

      BBFvST (Fold BB vs Steal)
      < 50 red
      < 73 orange
      < 81 yellow
      < 86 green
      < inf pink

      BB3BvST (3B BB vs Steal)
      < 5 red
      < 8 orange
      < 11 yellow
      < 15 green
      < inf pink

      DBF (Donk Bet Flop)
      Still haven't figured out a good colour code.
      If someone has a good idea here feel free to share :)

      I'm also thinking of adding W$SD. Can someone help me with some colour coding for that stat?

      I came to most of these values reading a lot of forums, articles, analyzing software, etc. And some I've been adjusting from time to time.

      Feel free to criticize and share your thoughts. I hope you can help me adjust some values and I hope my post is useful to someone.
    • tokyoaces
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      Don't think you it's more effective to color by multiple stats instead of just one?

      I think the most useful example of this I've seen is how Kraada colors his stats based on other stats so that you have a good idea of how the opponent plays just by color.
    • Kojika
      Kojika
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      Can you guys post a screenshot of your tables with the HUD ?

      It would be better for us imo :)
    • cryoburn
      cryoburn
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      I play at partypoker using the table stacking system.
      That way I can navigate trough big readable tables and without need the hud to resize. The table looks something like this with the hud (I only opened a table so I hadn't the table stacking on):




      EDIT: Sorry about the poor JPG quality, the colours aren't quite right.
    • tcs35
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      Originally posted by cryoburn
      I'm also thinking of adding W$SD. Can someone help me with some colour coding for that stat?
      I only use 3 colours but I have 0-45,45-55, 55+. For my hands stat I use 3 colours grey for under 50, pink for 50-200 and purple for 200+. I am gonna give 5 colours a try.

      I need help with W$SD, Squeeze, Donk bet flop and Check/Raise.
    • tcs35
      tcs35
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      Originally posted by cryoburn
      I play at partypoker using the table stacking system.
      That way I can navigate trough big readable tables and without need the hud to resize. The table looks something like this with the hud (I only opened a table so I hadn't the table stacking on):

      EDIT: Sorry about the poor JPG quality, the colours aren't quite right.
      You should remove abbreviations and learn your HUD
    • cryoburn
      cryoburn
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      Originally posted by TobyCS
      Originally posted by cryoburn
      I play at partypoker using the table stacking system.
      That way I can navigate trough big readable tables and without need the hud to resize. The table looks something like this with the hud (I only opened a table so I hadn't the table stacking on):

      EDIT: Sorry about the poor JPG quality, the colours aren't quite right.
      You should remove abbreviations and learn your HUD
      Hmmm..
      And why "should" I do that? What's in it for me?
      When I was using about only a few stats it was easy to remember. But if i'm playing more than 810 tables of NL SH it becomes hard without abbreviations and with so many stats.
    • tcs35
      tcs35
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      Originally posted by cryoburn
      Originally posted by TobyCS
      Originally posted by cryoburn
      I play at partypoker using the table stacking system.
      That way I can navigate trough big readable tables and without need the hud to resize. The table looks something like this with the hud (I only opened a table so I hadn't the table stacking on):

      EDIT: Sorry about the poor JPG quality, the colours aren't quite right.
      You should remove abbreviations and learn your HUD
      Hmmm..
      And why "should" I do that? What's in it for me?
      When I was using about only a few stats it was easy to remember. But if i'm playing more than 810 tables of NL SH it becomes hard without abbreviations and with so many stats.
      It would save room on your tables is all it helps but if you think you can't do that don't worry :p
    • cryoburn
      cryoburn
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      Hmm.. Yea it would probably help if I was playing FR. It wouldn't be possible to play with my SH HUD and with abbrv.
      But since the picture I posted is the exact size I play with there isn't that much visual pollution on screen :)
    • justkyle88
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      Thanks for the great post cryburn
    • cryoburn
      cryoburn
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      hey justkyle88, thanks.

      You could tell what stats you're using, since there aren't abrev showing :)

      And btw does anyone uses the auto rating feature? I never bothered to explore it. Does anyone find it useful?
    • justkyle88
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      I use auto-rate. I think its helpful. for example, u can note all TAGs (eagles/money-bags) as regs and steer clear of them and note some fish with bomb/dice/tornado's.
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