02 May 11
The Current Situation Around "Black Friday"
Two weeks have passed since the US Department of Justice charged PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet. We take a look at the situation and bring you up to speed.
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| Chief Prosecutor Preet Bharara |
What has happened?
In case you missed it, here's a quick update: On April 15, the FBI and the US Department of Justice seized the internet domains of PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, Absolute Poker and UltimateBet and charged their owners and executives.The charges are built around allegations that these poker rooms accepted payments from US customers through a complex clandestine operation, disguising poker deposits as payment to online merchants that were set up by the poker rooms. As a consequence, Americans are no longer allowed to play with the aforementioned rooms. A more detailed overview can be found here.
The payout situation for player for non-US players
When the news broke two weeks ago, many players, including many PokerStrategists, responded by trying to cash out their funds from the affected rooms. Even though some were able to do so without any issues, many experienced significant delays and some payout options were disabled for the time being.Full Tilt Poker: Full Tilt Poker does not offer Moneybookers for cashouts as of now. This issue is supposed to be resolved "hopefully soon" as stated by Full Tilt Poker spokesperson FTPDoug in a forum thread on 2+2.
Other cashouts are back on, even though there are still delays for some players.
FTPDoug on 2+2:
"Many players started getting their Neteller withdrawals late last week. There have been a couple of hiccups along the way, so there is still a bit of a delay until that clears up, but things are looking good to resume normal withdrawal speeds within a week or so."
PokerStars: Apparently, PokerStars hat dealt with the increased number of cashout requests following "Black Friday" and we have no reports about further cashout issues.
PokerStars cashouts possible for US players
Another open question was when and if players from the US could cash out the funds. PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and the US Department of Justice addressed these worries by publishing a statement that announced the return of the internet domains and that a cashout for US players would soon be possible.The poker rooms also emphasized once again that they are still accepting players from outside of the US. All information regarding their statement can be found here.
PokerStars was first to act after the announcement and implemented a solution for US players a few days ago that allows them to cash out via cheque or bank transfer (details here).
According to lawdonk.com, Full Tilt Poker is very likely to follow suit this week and will also start cashing out US players. In the meantime, FTPDoug issued a statement on 2+2 regarding the cashout of tournament tickets and a handful of further details. The full statement can be found here.
Traffic declining since "Black Friday"
PokerNewsDaily reported, referencing data from PokerScout, that traffic for cashgames has declined worldwide by roughly 22%.PokerStars: -28%
Full Tilt Poker: -35%
Absolute Poker & UltimateBet (Cereus Network): -65%
PartyPoker: 3%
888poker: 4%
(Source PokerNewsDaily, as of 27.04.2011)
Check back with us for more information as we are monitoring the traffic and will keep you up to date of any significant changes.
Chances for poker market regulation in the US
With US players being excluded from all major poker rooms, another important issue is poker regulation on the US market and when Americans will be able to play online poker again without legal worries. Judging by what bloggers such as Karak of Lawdonk.com recently posted, the chances are rather mixed.On the one hand, the US are facing a steep budget deficit and online poker could be a new revenue source for the US government, but on the other hand many US politicians disapprove online poker for reasons of morality. This attitude is especially common among Republicans who currently hold the Congress majority.
You can read the full analysis by Karak here.
What's to come?
The next step will most likely be the trial against the indicted poker rooms and their owners. Experts estimate that the defendants and the Department of Justice will probably make a deal to avoid a judgement. A timeline for this is not known yet.Another part of this trial will be the role of the indicted payment processors. Ira Rubin, one of these processors, was captured in Guatemala on Friday and was transferred to a detention facility in Miami.
Out on bail are the payment processors Bradley Franzen and Chad Elie who both have pleaded "not guilty" already. Chad Elie used his freedom to marry his girlfriend, the former Playboy Playmate Destiny Davis, one day after his bail was posted.
Our past news regarding Black Friday:
- PokerStars Cash Outs Available for U.S. Residents (28.04.2011)
- Full Tilt Poker Issues Statement Regarding Moneybookers Cashouts (22.04.2011)
- PokerStars.com and FullTiltPoker.com Return - First Step Towards US Cashouts (20.04.2011)
- Gambling Expert Prof. I. Nelson Rose Comments on Charges Against Poker Platforms (19.04.2011)
- The Poker World Reacts to "Black Friday" (19.04.2011)
- NETELLER and Moneybookers: Official Statements After the Black Friday (19.04.2011)
- "Black Friday" for the US Poker Market - The Current Situation (17.04.2011)
- LIVE TICKER: PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, UB and AP charged in US (15.04.2011)




#1
flopraiser, 02 May 11 12:08
I tried cashing out $250 (max allowed through money bookers) from absoloute poker, 5 days later its still pending#2
SirPaulius, 02 May 11 12:15
same at cake poker seems USA goverment touched them too.#3
kiromanAAKK, 02 May 11 13:26
I dont understand the panic that human being allowed happen as many people outside USA were go mad to cash-out. But for what? A colossal business like FTP and PS were never need of any concern (IMHO btw)#4
eteris, 02 May 11 14:58
OMG, come on fulltilt... hopefully sonn... ????? ....#5
flopraiser, 02 May 11 15:56
@#3 I would like my roll to play on another site as the traffic on absolute poker is very light#6
Heffron89, 02 May 11 18:53
@3 stars will be fine for sure but FTP dunno... if they get a huge fine of 1billion+ who knows what happens#7
simoska, 02 May 11 20:46
'many US politicians disapprove online poker for reasons of morality'morality?? haha...its not against morality to destroy nature, spil oil, kill innocent people just to maximise profits, but its against morality to play poker online....
#8
AGTpunx, 02 May 11 22:33
@Simsoko: You could not be more right#9
Classified181, 03 May 11 03:55
+2 @ simoska, plus much much more!#10
Necrophagist, 03 May 11 07:27
I still can't cash out on fulltilt. Is this the standard?#11
Yordi85, 03 May 11 09:48
@7: Yeah... USA = immoralWatch zeitgeist... youtube!!
#12
Leader22, 03 May 11 09:56
"This attitude is especially common among Republicans who currently hold the Congress majority."Republicans only control the House of Representatives. The Senate is controlled by Democrats. Thus the control of congress is actually split. The leader of the Democrats in the Senate is a supporter of online poker regulation.
#13
chenny8888, 03 May 11 12:07
you silly people having money on absolute poker :(#14
simoska, 04 May 11 13:00
@Yordi85 I've seen all of them.#15
herbypoker, 14 May 11 15:37
on 20 of april this year i playd a 24 dollar sit and go with 45 players. i beat a pro from fulltilt got a bonus back of 24 dollar. ended up second in that tournement. decided to cash out 300 dollars wel guess what im stil waiting for the bank transver to make me haoppy. 24 days and stil counting and i dont get any answers other than my funds are save with fulltilt.. as if thats what i wanna hear from them',even the 3 t'shirt i should get for beating a pro is somewhere lost in space i guess.. anyway it sucs that i have to waite and waite and stil waiting,,, for a lowsy 300 dollar poecket change for fulltilt but for me its good money.