09 Feb 12
The Death of Poker Sponsorship? Part 1
With the face of online poker changing at such an accelerated rate, Barry Carter asks, is the current poker sponsorship model outdated?
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| The end of the poker patch? |
We had a fantastic blog this week from our CEO, Dominik Kofert, on his vision for the future of poker, in which he envisions a future where poker is marketed as a hobby and entertainment, rather than a sport or career.
Many poker rooms are introducing initiatives that penalize winning players, or at least, reward recreational players more. Elsewhere, many of the former "heroes" of poker are dramatically falling from grace, in particular, those embroiled in the Full Tilt scandal.
For whatever reason, the high profile professional player is no longer the centre of the poker universe.
Which compels me to ask, what is the point of poker rooms sponsoring players anymore? We are constantly hearing about the profits of poker rooms declining year on year, yet many rooms still insist on investing heavily on sponsoring players to wear their patch for them at tournaments.
What do sponsored players bring to a poker room?
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| The Hendon Mob were early pioneers of poker sponsorship |
What actual value is derived from sponsoring someone to play poker? There are a handful of players out there who could, in 2012, possibly influence someone to play on a site by representing it - the likes of Daniel Negreanu, Tony G, Phil Hellmuth, Phil Ivey, Doyle Brunson - and that list is decreasing all the time. Not many other poker players have a genuine fan-base like this, or what we can really call "star power".
Beyond the players who are regularly on TV and are actually well known by the mainstream audience, what actual value do the vast majority of "I-won-an-EPT-sponsored-players" bring to the table?
They don't attract new players to the game, because most of them are complete nobodies outside of poker, so they could be anyone to a non poker player watching them on TV.
Likewise, what value do they have to existing poker players? The chances are that anyone who has been playing poker for a while has already made their choices where to play, based on software, softness, VIP deals, traffic etc. If, all of a sudden, sponsored player X takes down the next leg of the WPT, I may find that interesting, but it will not in any way influence where I decide to play poker.
As a player, I am much more interested in the things I have mentioned above that concerned me. If I am going to switch poker rooms, or play more on an existing one, it is going to be increased rakeback, bigger guarantees, softer games, better promotions, or improved software that will do it.
The Black Friday effect
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| Could the FTP sponsorship model ever be sustainable again? |
We want our rake going back into promotions, software, rakeback, and marketing to bring new players to the table. I feel it was going this way anyway before Black Friday, but the perception of sponsored players by the poker community in the future will probably be "why is that guy playing with our money?" - and after the whole Full Tilt debacle, can you blame us?
I think part of the widespread acceptance of sponsorship in the past was probably down to a flawed sense of deserving. Sponsored players were perceived as being accomplished, talented and hard-working; we didn't question why they got to play on our dime, because we felt their superior poker abilities meant they deserved to wear the patch.
This just does not wash anymore. The integrity of poker players is being scrutinised more than ever, no longer are they worshipped or idolised. Many former heroes have become villains since Black Friday, especially the ones who are thought to have benefited at the expense of all the players with money stuck on Full Tilt.
Full Tilt's entire model was built around sponsored players, their hook-line was "play with the pros" after all, and when they went down, there were about 250 sponsored players on their books. When you consider many of the traditional sponsorship deals are worth in the region of $100k a year, is there any wonder the site imploded like it did with figures like that?
In 2012, the only real benefactors from the traditional poker sponsorship model is the sponsored players themselves. I hope that the community would never stand for another sponsorship model like FTP's again, and instead urged poker rooms to put more of our rake into the things that bring new players to the tables, and our own experience much more enjoyable.
Finally, before I receive a sackful of hate mail and angry tweets from the hundreds of sponsored players out there - I will be following this up with a second part, which will focus on the sponsorship deals that still have value in 2012.
by Barry Carter






#1
mancikaa, 09 Feb 12 12:23
"We want our rake going back into promotions, software, rakeback, and marketing to bring new players to the table." - immo this is a very good line. And everyone should think over, which rooms are developing, coming up with new things, and which not. Its very sad to see that some operators dont care if their software is ridicoulusly slow or full with bugs, and than they cry why players quit. Or when someone brings out the most idiotic promotion ever, and than they wonder why it dont attracts the players. But they can spend incredible ammount of money on events, and the VIP managers of the sponsored players has also an unlimited budget for hookers, drugs and drinks. Incompetent people in manager position is the death of each site.#2
mervyn123, 09 Feb 12 13:01
I couldn't agree more. I deal with that above mentioned incompetence everyday!!#3
gxtwo, 09 Feb 12 13:13
Completely agree with re-investing the poker rooms profit into better promos and attracting new players#4
adrian4500, 09 Feb 12 14:07
I agree but your forgeting the most importen part why this is importen. Not about they bringing players etc. The reason for sponsord pros is to sell the dream. By liveing the mystic "poker life" many players who wich or dream for it sit down on the online tables. The hope for it keap many bad players and loseing players on the tables in order to achieve it. Its like a those that play lotto , just with a diffrent twist. The problem is that we are crushing this peoples dream by bum hunting, 1000s of tables with player whaiting etc. Now you feal cheated when you just whant too have fun, this is the problem. All this idiots dont understand that if you start doing all this shit the dreamers wake up and leave.#5
AmurskiyTigr, 09 Feb 12 14:15
Ppl should never let famous pros affect their choice оf a room to play in.#6
Rsiatat, 09 Feb 12 14:31
thinking outside the box .... interesting to see so many articles about the poker future on Pokerstrategy , and I like to see that there are ppl who are trying to change smth so that our dream job can live further more :)#7
Tarhonya, 09 Feb 12 14:32
The problem with the argument is that it's ignoring the fact that educated players (poker-wise) are the minority of the poker population.That said, it's obvious that sponsored players has zero effect on our choices.
But seeing a site logo on anyone playing poker on TV (or any other sources) must attract a lot of players to try poker out online. I think that's the reason why there are so many sponsored players out there, their skill/personality is not that important, and it might sound silly, but imo they act more like billboards.
We can't see the actual numbers about how much is being reinvested in pros, but TV is still a solid place to advertise.
With similar logic one could dislike the amount of money being reinvested in the form of guaranteed tournaments - except of course for MTT players.
But it's attracting a lot of players to the tables.
#8
Jan217, 09 Feb 12 16:42
@#7 heh? money isnt really invested in guaranteed tournaments in 95%+ of cases since guarantees are met by the buyins of players.And sponsoring pros is a very inneficient way to advertise since only final tables are usually telivised, so most of the time that patch wont get any tv time at all. Straight up TV adverts seem like a much better use of the money
#9
AaronLambert, 09 Feb 12 16:45
Great read thanks for the article!#10
visualbob, 09 Feb 12 16:51
I think Tarhonya has a good point,before I found this site I started to play online poker by a room that did this kind of shows on tv.
Actually most of the people I know in real life that play on line, started out after watching that same show.
Off-course we do not care where those sponsored guys play, the big question is "what do the pokerrooms try to get by sponsoring and organising those tv-shows?"
Do they want to reach the educated player (who probably does not reload often, if they use good bankroll-managment) or the newbie (that happily reloads a few dollar every 2 or 3 weeks to keep on playing?).
#11
AaronLambert, 09 Feb 12 22:16
@10 I think what the sites prefer isn't people who deposit and that is it. They make more money when you play more (pay rake) so ultimately they would rather appeal to the players on other sites so you can accumulate rake on their site instead.#12
ELEVEREL, 10 Feb 12 01:18
Sponsorship of players will die all by itself if it doesn't work. I can't see how it is an issue at all. Rake is set by the poker rooms and if it is not competitive they will suffer. Where does anybody get the idea this is "our rake"? It is what you pay for the chair and belongs to the room when you pay it. You don't tell a landlord what to do with the rent when you pay it. The free market will take care of itself.Maybe we as players could make some effort to stop calling new players fish and suckers etc. Maybe try and clean up the table talk and wear some presentable clothes. Most of the tables I have seen on TV look like a gathering of hobos. On the internet and in the live rooms players disrespect each other constantly.
Often it is like dealing with a bunch of ill mannered children.
Just a few thoughts, there is much we could do to clean up the image of the game.
#13
bartjuh, 10 Feb 12 13:12
Sponsor only the few players that are worth the investment. For example Daniel, Viktor and Boris.In addition pokersites could bid money to players at televised tables to wear their patches.