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StrategySit & Go

Four standard charts for the push-or-fold stage

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Introduction

In this article
  • The Push Chart - when everyone folded before you
  • The Rebound Charts - when someone is already in the hand

The push-or-fold stage of a tournament is probably the most complex stage. When to go all-in, when to fold? Sooner or later you will inevitably be forced to take the time to look into the mathematical background of this stage: the Independent Chip Model (ICM). In order to make this easier our software cracks programmed the ICM Trainer, which will help give you a feeling for correct decisions.

You may however feel a bit disoriented in the face of such a complex subject as the ICM, and more straightforward guidelines might be helpful. This is why our SNG experts developed four charts in collaboration with Florian "Morgoth" Langmann, the 2006 German Champion. These charts will help you decide, whether you want to go all-in with your hand or not.

At lower limits, especially as a beginner, these charts will give you an edge against typical opponents. But longterm, they can't replace taking the time to learn about ICM and the theory behind it.

The four charts distinguish four situations:

  • Nobody is involved in the hand yet. You will use the push-chart.
  • There are already players in the hand. It is not important how they were involved. Now you use our three rebound charts, which identify your possible positions.
 

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Comments (68)

#1 styc0, 15 Apr 08 18:37

ii

#2 nVIDIA69, 31 May 08 16:42

:)

#3 mouse89, 06 Oct 08 14:26

cheers

#4 Yoghurt1973, 08 Oct 08 00:10

Thanks for the chart.

I would rather have a chart which considers the antes too.

Because of that this chart is on the relative tight site?!

#5 514DISCO, 30 Nov 08 09:42

nice work

#6 TwistedArchon, 03 Dec 08 10:54

has anyone used the charts in the trainer and still got some questions wrong but cant see why?

#7 octoja, 15 Jan 09 14:19

I have been using the strategy for tournaments for a month and I can tell you it can safely guide one to the final table in most cases if one strictly obeys the rules presented here. Still, one needs a good deal of luck in order to win a freezout.

#8 Vargan, 05 Feb 09 18:58

Printed. ^^,

#9 Alucard23, 25 Feb 09 21:23

i have a question, in the rebound charts with the blinds its the same like in a push chart? i mean in rebound charts do i go all in for example if i have 10 BB, but opponent who raised 13BB. but the charts tell me only to go when i have 10BB.do the opponent have to have 10BB or less to satisfy my call? thnx

#10 KapitanJack, 25 Mar 09 03:37

I dont understand the chart...
There is a chart "when you are on small blind" and it is divided into early, middle and late position...
Could you explain me please

#11 malook, 31 Mar 09 19:53

KapitanJack - It is divided into what position the first player who enters the hand is sitting in.
So if you are in the Small blind you refer to that chart, then find the position of the first player to act along the top, and use the reference for your hand in that column. Hope that helps

#12 Rufles, 14 Apr 09 03:53

why the "first-in" table only have Early and Middle, but dont have Late?

#13 Rufles, 14 Apr 09 04:04

because CU and BU are "Late" !!!

#14 DevilChess, 31 May 09 23:40

I used this chart for playing $1 Sit&Go Turbo @ PartyPoker, and it worked perfectly. 100% RECCOMENDED!

#15 DevilChess, 31 May 09 23:41

I used this chart for playing $1 Sit&Go Turbo @ PartyPoker, and it worked perfectly. 100% RECCOMENDED!

#16 Ratinha, 03 Jun 09 04:11

I used only the feeling from the ICM trainer and a little experience and get to the money in about 80%-90% of the $1 turbo sngs at party poker, finishing 1st or 2nd most of the time. Not as successful with the $2 speed tourneys of 160-220 players - finished around 30th most of them with one 13th.

Now I'll start using the charts. Are they good at the $2 speed tourneys as well? how about $2 regs? as a player who started at full tilt poker the blinds strucutre at party poker are really fast, even the regs. There's no doulbing blinds at FTP so I could get to $$$ or final table several times in $1 - $3 MTTs with fields of 200-900 by just being tight all the time.

So the question is: are these charts better for turbo / structures where the blinds double than for regs / strcutres where the blinds grow by 20% at each level?

Thanks.

#17 mattisks, 13 Jul 09 21:45

to discover ICM is even better than to discover America.


#18 theboydave, 24 Jul 09 00:22

good to have chart for all ins and when for tournament play thanks.

#19 FinnB, 25 Jul 09 19:55

Until which limits the chart should be used?

#20 MaCe90, 06 Aug 09 07:30

Great charts, this shows me that I've been playing to tight regarding the number of blinds left.

#21 jonnyebeneezer, 14 Aug 09 22:04

its completely changed my game and improved it beyond recognition

#22 WillTell, 25 Aug 09 19:38

I wonder do you rounded the number's up or down? If I have 7.5 big blinds left, I make it 7 or 8? What is your experience guys?

#23 WillTell, 25 Aug 09 22:05

I just did a 1$+0,25$ matrix SnG a full tilt poker. A matrix (for those who doesn't know) is a type of SnG where you have the same 9 peoples playing 4 different games together. I follow as best as I could the charts and I placed:

1st
1st
2nd
4th.

I placed 1st overall! Can't wait to master the charts a lil better so don't have to always check at them! lol!

Thanks again for the improvement in my play!

#24 cvetkoivey, 11 Sep 09 12:01

nice

#25 xxxKifferJoexxx, 20 Sep 09 18:56

is this only for a full table (9 players)?

thinks should dramatically change from 4 to 9 players right?

#26 Antopony, 01 Oct 09 12:35

Agree with TwistedAcorn @ #6. Charts fail on the ICM trainer on a few decisions. Probably because these charts lump groups of hands in together. You would need to list every hand individually to exactly replicate ICM which would make charts overly complicated.

#27 greymouth, 21 Oct 09 11:36

xxxKifferJoexxx @ #25 has a good question. Does the size of the table and how many players left matter?

#28 Maidlamb, 09 Dec 09 19:34

I have a question:

For example, if I am the first-in and i want to go all-in from the button with 88, do the players behind me also have at 13 big blinds, or does that only go for me?

Thank you.

#29 geoelt, 25 Dec 09 03:49

goes for the one who has less, so u can do that if u have less or if SB + BB have less

#30 Koshburger, 10 Feb 10 01:59

ok

#31 zatharas, 11 Apr 10 21:16

how much would these charts differ for double or nothing sit n go's vs normal sit n gos

#32 muel294, 23 Apr 10 18:26

I take it the push chart for the BB is the same as the SB ??

#33 fryandspicy, 03 Jun 10 11:22

Muel, you should use the rebound charts in the BB. If everyone has folded to you in the BB you get a walk, and just get given your BB plus the SB without having to go to the flop.

#34 paulnewson, 11 Jun 10 04:02

The charts published here have been so helpful in improving my game that I've realised just what a bad player I was before. Having said that, I had two minor difficulties using them:

1. Although they are organised in a logical way, I found it took me a bit of time locating my cards on the table with the suited and off-suit hands listed together.

2. I'm pretty fast with mental arithmetic but I struggle to remember my thirteen times table and using a calculator was far too slow.

To solve both these issues, I created a spread sheet that I could sit on my desktop next to my poker game with all the same information that is included on the original charts but with two major differences:-

1. Each chart has three tables; pairs, suited and off-suit which has made it much quicker for me to find my cards on the chart.

2. For the "Push-Chart when you are first in" chart I have added a field into which I can enter the current big blind and it displays the figures in chips rather than BB multiples.

Displaying all three charts on the screen would take up too much space and you'd need to cover up your poker game while checking them, which would be a little slow so the other charts (you can find them on sheet 2 of the documents below) are intended to be printed out (they're organised to fit onto two pages or two sides of a single page) and they still have the figures in terms of BB multiples. To cut out all the mental arithmetic, on the chart that is supposed to be displayed on your screen I have included a table at the bottom that shows you the multiples of the current big blind from 2 to 13. I have also included at the top the 24xBB figure to help determine when you're in the middle phase of play.

You can find a screen shot of the MS Office version of the file at http://tinyurl.com/2u7zywa

The MS Office version of the file has every field except the big blind field password protected. The reason for this is so that you don't even need to click on the editing field, just click anywhere on the table, type the new big blind amount, press enter and then straight back to the poker - saving another fraction of a second. If you wish to modify the other fields, the password is "fulltilt" (without the quotes) - just click on "Review" and then "Unprotect Sheet". Unfortunately the Open Office version of the file does not allow password protection.

The charts themselves can be found at the following URLs:-

MS Office Version: http://tinyurl.com/38fo6cw
Open Office Version: http://tinyurl.com/39bbrkj

I hope this is helpful.

#35 paulnewson, 11 Jun 10 04:08

Concerning my post above. I've just noticed that the files get renamed to "_Poker Tables.xls_" and "_Poker Tables.ods_" just rename the file once it's downloaded and remove the beginning and ending underscores making it "Poker Tables.xls" or "Poker Tables.ods" as appropriate.

#36 veroloma, 17 Jun 10 12:33

Paul,

i'd like to get your charts, somehow I seem not to be able to download them following the links you provided us with. Is it possible to send them over to me through a private message?
Cheers

#37 paulnewson, 19 Jun 10 10:37

Sorry veroloma,

It seems that when I updated a couple of minor errors in the tables, the URL must have changed. The new tinyurl links are:-

MS Office: http://tinyurl.com/32o6f8q
Open Office: http://tinyurl.com/38gxlgk

If there was some other reason why the original URLs failed, you can see the files listed in my Windows Live public folder at:-

http://cid-1c80ac6d517534fe.office.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public?lc=2057

You will still need to rename the files, removing the underscores.

#38 lollujo, 11 Aug 10 13:20

Just downloaded your spreadsheet Paul, great stuff, thanks.

#39 luismg88, 07 Sep 10 18:32

why in the first chart they say Q7s and Q6s are playable but they don't include K9o, K8o and K7o??

#40 RobertAdams, 16 Sep 10 07:47

hi,i dont understand how to play push-or-fold in the Big Blind, eg:
everyone folds to Small Blind who calls, you are in Big Blind with J2o (both of you have <13 big blinds)
per the Big Blind rebound chart, you dont push, but do you:
a) check? and what then? play the flop push-or-fold? you could check to river and then on the river only push-or-fold?
b) fold???!!!
thank you

#41 RobertAdams, 16 Sep 10 07:48

sorry,correction: point a) on river push-or-fold or check?

#42 RobertAdams, 16 Sep 10 07:59

hehe he :) i think i answered my own question: in example check as far as you can, fold otherwise
what does everybody else think? cheers

#43 RobertAdams, 18 Oct 10 06:42

@40-42 i posted this in the forum SNG Strategy Discussion, with good feedback from gedwashere91 and coach pzhon

#44 147maker, 19 Oct 10 21:08

my question is, does it also work in turbo 6.50 or maybe turbo 11.00 on Full Tilt Poker? I m not sure but I think it is a little bit too loose. Has anyone played on such stakes?

#45 veiksminieks, 25 Oct 10 16:22

Ok, but if i have more chips, than show chart?

#46 DirkDigglerKK, 14 Jan 11 19:54

i tried using icm but i can't see the whole window because the view is somehow narrowed so that when my cards are down or on the right side of the table as i look at it i simply cannot see what i have. has anyone encountered this error?

#47 SuperiorLuck, 14 Feb 11 17:08

Hey guys sorry to ask but, about that chart paulnewson made, the value that appears is the boxes is the stack you need to have at least to push or the max? For example bb = 200, with K8s on early pos you get 1000, does it mean that if you have 1000+ you shouldnt push? Or that you need 1000+ to push?

Thanks in advance.

#48 Kipraz, 18 Feb 11 18:18

SuperiorLuck,

The value shows max amount of your chips you should push with.

#49 bbogdanmircea, 31 Mar 11 09:36

Hi there.
Last night I downloaded and used paulnewson chart.
I observed that in the second sheet the values are displayed as BB multiples so I modified it to displau the number of BB's multiplied by the big blind value introduced in the first sheet.
This is a very useful chart, all you have to do is type anywhere in the first sheet the value of the Big Blind and then read the maximal values from the sheet according tot the situation Push or Rebound.

#50 valancius, 20 Apr 11 23:53

But these charts does not involve hands that ICM trainer does, so on which one should i focus more? ICM trainer or these four charts?

#51 brbak, 31 May 11 19:58

So, if i'm BU with 13 BB's holding AA's and the BB having 15 BB's it's an ease fold, right?! Or..

#52 Saryk, 06 Jun 11 14:03

LOL

#53 Airetikos, 11 Jun 11 10:19

If there was a limp and a cold call in front of me?Should i use the push or rebound chart?

#54 Drzih, 26 Jun 11 08:35

where can I find the simmilar CALL chart, if someone pushes before me?

#55 AltTabF4, 09 Jul 11 09:02

Why would you want a call chart for Push or Fold phase? Just follow the rebound chart, if you really consider calling AI because you have bigger stack, you should push yourself.

#56 Mrmartinss, 12 Oct 11 13:41

what do the numbers in the cart mean?

#57 pokervin123, 22 Oct 11 05:59

Otherwise (e.g. you or an opponent after you has 6 big blinds left) you must fold. So what hands do we push regardless?

#58 effendor, 14 Feb 12 02:13

Great guide, written with good English. Some people are asking questions about the meanings of the numbers ..... the numbers are multiples of the big blind, and if your chip stack is equal to or less than the number multiplied by the big blind, you push all in. if it is greater than the number you fold. If it is greater than 13 times the big blind , you are not in the push or fold ! In answer to Airetikos question, you should be the first player to enter the hand to use the push chart, otherwise you use the rebound chart.

#59 FishOnHeater, 20 Feb 12 14:32

I'm a 2.5$ 180man pokerstars reg, i like the chart mainly, but i think its too tight especially over other regs + take into consideration that ante always gonna wider your range.

#60 doktordiversity, 12 Apr 12 20:27

if there is a call in front i assume you play as if your first in and push?

#61 doktordiversity, 12 Apr 12 20:44

behind

#62 Aur3pkr, 19 Apr 12 19:37

If someone before me go all-in and then someone called his all-in, am I should still follow chart? Like if I'm in BU position and have 11BB, do I go all-in with 99+, AQ+ ?

#63 yankee92, 24 May 12 00:11

i'd like to know the answer to the question above aswell, thanks.

#64 evertonroar, 17 Sep 12 13:24

the answer to comment 62 is NO. if you have 11bb and there is a raise and a reraise in front of you, you can only continue with qq+

#65 rgcord, 24 Jan 13 05:59

my answer to comment 62 is to go all-in with KK+, you may go all-in with QQ if your opponent has less than 11BB.

#66 Gaze73, 11 Feb 13 14:10

I don't believe pushing 22 for 13bb from CO is +EV, but hey I'm just a breakeven donk.

#67 27Michael27, 06 May 13 15:35

these charts dont work with ICM in my humble opinion these charts need updating

#68 KowKain, 23 Jul 13 12:00

While using HEM2, is it better to use 'No. of BB left' or 'Adjusted BB left' stat?


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