Videos: No-Limit $25 Short-Stack Strategy Session Review

#1 TheBu11d0g, 15 Aug 08 15:52

Great 1st video Leo. It really helped me understand the SSS by watching it in conjunction with the articles.

Cant wait to watch the 2nd one mate.

Well done on your 1st effort and keep 'em coming.

#2 batmanbg, 15 Aug 08 22:06

Nice video. One question - from where i can download same SHC like yours?

#3 Timbo925, 15 Aug 08 23:27

You rock leo :D Good video and your english is very clear ;) Hope you make some more sesion revieuws because you can realy lern mutch of them

#4 thedahl, 15 Aug 08 23:54

That was a fantastic video! Best video I have seen yet.

#5 CRI4BRA, 15 Aug 08 23:55

nice video leo,

i'd like to ask tho, can you post a link to the cards package you used in this vid?

or send me the package as an attachment to my email?

thanks,

cristian

#6 TheBu11d0g, 16 Aug 08 12:55

Batmanbg, you can get the Bronze SHC via a download on his coaching sessions which are every Sunday.

Hope that helps

Regards,

Steve

#7 Tim29876, 16 Aug 08 16:00

Excellent vid! I'm a beginner SSS follower and the calm and clear presentation allowed me to keep up. Distortionless voice/sound was very pleasant to the ear. Visuals were crisp too. Hope to see more of your videos!

#8 WOLFBASS, 16 Aug 08 17:42

Good first video Leo. Keep up the good work

#9 DanRamone, 17 Aug 08 15:00

Batmanbg check it here http://www.pokerstrategy.org.uk/download/nl/ShortstackStrategie/shc_nl.pdf

#10 theperni, 17 Aug 08 17:12

Very nice video!

#11 DSAces, 18 Aug 08 00:10

Nice video, but that chart is a piece of junk. It only takes into account your position and not your opponents position. There is no way folding 7's blind vs blind just because the small blind raised is the right play.

#12 hyppolito, 18 Aug 08 01:30

Awesome Leo. Waiting for the seccond one. Cheers!

#13 TimothyVdp1, 20 Aug 08 23:52

pahy pokahhhhh ;)

#14 TobinqBe, 21 Aug 08 00:47

nice accent leo pahypokah fooh teh whin

#15 Gerv, 21 Aug 08 19:30

You have to give this guy some kudos respect and credits!
Great vid!

#16 TheBrood, 25 Aug 08 20:00

Very good video, helped me a lot in understanding what to fold, even on the button. Thnx!

#17 Leo, 25 Aug 08 23:13

Thanks for the great feedback guys, Im really glad you enjoyed it ^^

#18 Gerv, 10 Sep 08 09:01

De Pahty Poker Video! A born legend!

#19 selgae, 10 Sep 08 10:52

Zeer leerzame video. Een aanrader voor iedereen

#20 TimothyVdp1, 10 Sep 08 13:09

pahy

#21 JinJin, 16 Sep 08 19:06

is er een manier om deze video te downloaden?

#22 darko163, 21 Sep 08 12:37

Prima video, maar wel erg tight hoor! Ik vraag me dan ook af of hij wel voldoende sterke handen krijgt om winst te maken en eens ze doorhebben dat hij zo tight speelt is hij volgens mij zo weg te bluffen...of niet?

#23 gestureman, 09 Oct 08 00:46

well put together with good running commentary..nice one!

#24 piresromeu, 24 Oct 08 17:40

Outstanding.

#25 DockHoliday, 25 Oct 08 21:49

I agree, nice job Leo... You are so right about how hard it is sometimes to fold hands like QA to the aggression... Playing SS requires lot of patience, i guess. Thumbs up.

#26 itsKsharp, 27 Oct 08 15:01

9:10 or something, 77 in the sb vs a co shortstakc raise, isnt 77's ahead of his rasing range? wouldnt pushing over his raise be +ev?

#27 mouse89, 13 Nov 08 16:41

ok

#28 bolachasp, 17 Nov 08 09:24

really nice video!

#29 AmericanRocket, 24 Nov 08 23:15

Yeah, really nice :) Just keep by charts and everything will be nice :) Thanx for video ! :)

#30 jbirgelis, 03 Dec 08 20:23

Thanks, really helped!

#31 CaoPhi, 07 Dec 08 21:29

nice video!

#32 pr3DeX, 15 Dec 08 03:00

GJ with this video

#33 SVD018, 30 Dec 08 08:32

Great video pure 10 for it

#34 theratxb, 03 Jan 09 21:18

a very good help thanks

#35 ColinDucklow, 04 Jan 09 03:28

thanks it really helped

#36 ssloper, 15 Jan 09 19:25

great video can. looking forward to see more from you

#37 uKwPlayer, 26 Jan 09 21:31

this video help me a lot to rewin my money back , ty!

#38 moscow1818, 27 Jan 09 14:28

Best video on SSS i've seen so far. But I am a newb. It actually fitted full screen without losing any of the picture - big plus.

#39 HugeLayDown, 28 Jan 09 04:31

This video helped a lot, however, I think you should've slow played that straight. Your opponent probably would've tried a bet on the turn. You have to take the chance even if he did have a flush draw, in my opinion.

This is an extremely conservative way of playing, which I like, especially short stacked. The only play pre-flop that would've been a raise to me is TT in ealy position. Throw out a pot raise, see what happens.

#40 RailAce, 29 Jan 09 19:05

Position isn't the only thing you have to take into account when playing poker. Going only by what the starting hand chart tells you is the wrong way to play.

For example, folding pocket 6's on the dealer button with no limpers is a horrible play. First, even if someone calls and you don't hit your set, you still have position and can easily take down the pot if your opponent didn't hit the flop. Just my opinion

#42 Leo, 31 Jan 09 15:57

#34: I agree that slowplay can SOMETIMES work. You should be particularly careful with slowplaying as you give away free cards. Playing with an absolute monster, with no possibilities of any draws and against a maniac would be the only situation where you should slowplay.
However, slowplaying poses a leak for many beginners and therefor is almost always inadvisable.

#35: I dont agree that folding sixes is a horrible play. Of course you could reason such a hand can be used for stealing.
The reason this is a fold according to the SHC is that the SHC is used for the lower limits and gives as little variance as possible, while still posing a winning and effective strategy. At higher limits you will learn to deviate from the SHC and add late play to your arsenal.

On the lowest limits and with basic SSS this is not yet part of a winning strategy.

Thanks for all the great feedback guys! Hope it all helped you learn the basics of SSS.
If you have any questions about it, just feel free to post it here.

Cheers,
Leo

#43 timkuy, 01 Feb 09 15:27

really helpfull thanks alot

#44 cgabriela44, 05 Feb 09 17:04

Nice video Leo

#45 Vaidas111, 10 Feb 09 16:56

Thanks Leo

#46 yankee92, 11 Feb 09 19:58

Great video, really helped.

#47 CrazyPink, 18 Feb 09 14:07

Thnx, well be waiting for more

#48 hyaenodon, 19 Feb 09 23:50

Hi there! Firstly thanks Leo for the great video!
I'm playing with respect to the charts in your video, but to be honest, I'm a little worried about one thing: what if I never get such a playable pre-flop hand, and I break down due to the amount of blinds?
I'm a newbie, as you see...
Please tell me not to worry about that. :)

#49 Leo, 21 Feb 09 13:06

Heya hyaenodon,

Its understandable you worry about such things, however for full ring tables this is not a problem.

This is one of the reasons why SSS is not profitable on tables with less then 7 players. The amount of times blinds come by do decrease your winnings a lot here.

Anyway, not to worry. The SSS is a mathematically proven concept. The hands you play according to the chart come by often enough to make the strategy profitable on full ring tables. Sometimes it just takes a while to get good hands ;)

GL,
Leo

#50 robintea, 21 Feb 09 16:05

Nice Video

How much money have you win with it?

Were do i can get your starting hand charts

Tanks

#51 hyaenodon, 25 Feb 09 17:26

Thanks Leo for your explanation!
I've faced another problem, while playing on PartiPoker. The SSS guide says that I should buy-in with 20 BBs.
Now I play on 0.02$/0.04$, and that would be 0.8$. But when I try to buy in, the system says that the minimum is 2$. So basically I'm forced to violate the guide's rules. Note that I must play on 0.02$/0.04$, according to the guide, to respect the min. 30 buy-ins bankroll management.
Will this issue influence my profit, or I'm just too pathetic? :)

#52 Gerv, 04 Mar 09 15:03

NL10 is the minimum limit for SSS regardless your bankroll. with $50 you are doing fine on Nl10 SSS because opponents will pay you off often because they are so bad :)

#53 buky69, 07 Mar 09 04:06

Great video for beginners, every player shoud watch it.The video explaines SSS strategy on a simle way.

#54 bynx09, 08 Mar 09 15:02

were do iget the startinhand chart from! :) cheers

#55 tamis900, 24 Mar 09 12:20

Very good video!! it help me a lot in understanding when to fold,

#56 bluffinthemuff, 26 Mar 09 18:28

Is it a good idea to print out this chart very small and bring it to a casino cash game?

#57 panther2207, 01 Apr 09 01:54

G'day mate.

really good video mate, very helpful.
Cheers!

#58 jakerah, 02 Apr 09 15:58

great ! :)

#59 delete461, 04 Apr 09 07:45

dont print out the SHC. At the start of each session write it down on paper, then at the end of the session screw it up and throw it away. After writing it down a few times you wont need it anymore, you will know it by heart.

#60 deadlyhand, 16 Apr 09 10:17

short stacking on 25nl is just suicide...

#61 Leo, 16 Apr 09 13:41

@5: Nope, dat valt best mee. En juist als ze je weg willen bluffen is dat goed. Omdat je zo weinig handen speelt en alleen de sterkte, zul je vaak voorlopen.

@6: Winning up to NL400. The SHC you can find in the articles

@7: "... for the other 9 players" I guess ;)

#62 foxymama0945, 19 Apr 09 21:21

i m new to no limt hold em ...your vieo is very helpful..thx

#63 paesjie, 23 Apr 09 15:53

de chart dat hij gebruikt verschilt van mijn nederlandse versie (bv. raise/stack size ratio)... is deze vollediger ? kan ik deze ook downloaden?

#64 tiltinaction, 28 Apr 09 22:32

thank you, great video!

#65 inchmca33, 29 Apr 09 00:16

very good video.

#66 monkey0nfire, 05 May 09 02:45

great vid, awesome info. this is hopefully going to be the fundamentals in the growth of my bankroll!

#67 Mincuhx, 16 May 09 19:41

great vid.

#68 tuk4tuk, 22 May 09 22:09

nice video,ty!

#69 Maxbibby1991, 30 May 09 14:17

where can you get that hand chart?

#70 michael8482, 08 Jun 09 01:02

Thats great leo really helped me alot thank you

#71 pondlife78, 08 Jun 09 05:33

Very useful video to demostrate the SSS. Some of the tables you were playing on had 3 or more other short-stacks. Isn't that something the guides state to avoid?

#72 strakals, 09 Jun 09 14:39

very nice video...thanks leo!

#73 purehatred0, 11 Jun 09 09:59

Nice run down of what we have learned from the initiation. Thanks Leo ill give this style a go

#74 Nenon, 26 Jun 09 12:45

Thanks for the vid man, helped a lot seeing the strategy in action in a real play situation. Cheers!

#75 iAMwearingPINK, 07 Jul 09 01:42

thanks for the vid leo, good sound and visual qualities. however... i have read all the comments above, i do understand what worries the people.. what does SSS say about the pot odds??? when, for example, in pre-flop u have to pay an extra $0.25 into an existing pot of $2.75 instead of folding ur Ace suited hand???? if u hit the flush, u can double or tripple up.. at least at a low cost...
...hopefully u can understand the idea behind my comment and give ur thoughts on that...
and at the end of the video i noticed that on all the 4 tables ur stack was <5.00$ where as u started with a bit more than that... so can u consider that a bad session or?

#76 iAMwearingPINK, 07 Jul 09 01:43

thanks for the vid leo, good sound and visual qualities. however... i have read all the comments above, i do understand what worries the people.. what does SSS say about the pot odds??? when, for example, in pre-flop u have to pay an extra $0.25 into an existing pot of $2.75 instead of folding ur Ace suited hand???? if u hit the flush, u can double or tripple up.. at least at a low cost...
...hopefully u can understand the idea behind my comment and give ur thoughts on that...
and at the end of the video i noticed that on all the 4 tables ur stack was <5.00$ where as u started with a bit more than that... so can u consider that a bad session or?

#77 jodev, 12 Jul 09 11:09

Hi,

thanks for the video.

I have one question. In case of losing after pushing all in. What is our next step?

Bring in again into the same or another table?

#78 Billyorange, 15 Jul 09 03:54

Leo will you please send me a copie nof the shc you used in this vid. the one the site gave me was different. p.s great vid.

#80 2Ripped4U, 10 Aug 09 13:15

Waar kan ik de de overzichten downloaden die hij gebruikt. Positie en welke kaarten te spelen etc?

#81 Janusrichmond, 13 Aug 09 23:32

Don´t you play again to many shortstacks at some of your tables?
Anyway, the video was great!

#82 ij79, 14 Aug 09 17:06

Hi, Nice Video however, I couldn't help but notice that in accordance with the SSS Articles you shoudln't be sitting at 3 of those table because of stack Sizes. Is this correct?

#83 daphr, 17 Aug 09 17:06

great video! thanks for sharing!

#84 dam890, 24 Aug 09 21:50

where can I find the SHC

#85 baaf500, 13 Sep 09 11:11

nice video..

now i get the SSS better

#86 durstan, 21 Sep 09 01:17

thx for ze help

#87 Titicamara, 28 Sep 09 08:19

Hi, nice review session. Got a question. What if we raised preflop with QQ and we got a caller and the flop comes 3AK...do we still shove it all in or check? Thanks.

#89 perkorator, 05 Oct 09 15:28

wher can i download the starting hand for short stack

#90 THeGaME23, 12 Oct 09 04:40

Slow playing the straight is a bad idea. The opponent either has a made hand or a drawing hand or a garbage hand at this point. If he slow plays he allows the player who is waiting to hit a flush to catch up. And if they other player has a made hand like AK or AJ he will get re-raised and take in the max profit. So it makes more sense to bet.

#91 Venter2, 21 Oct 09 21:35

Hi
I dont uzderstand Leo, Whay you sit on thous tables with 3 or 4 smalstecks? is it not less profitable?

#92 gedwashere91, 22 Oct 09 07:13

Venter, its only less profitable if they're playing SSS. Sometimes they're just fish who decided to sit down with a minimum stack. So i've been told, at least.

P.s. keep the low-rank videos coming :D

#93 AlanMCarter, 03 Nov 09 00:17

Great Vid well explained many thanks
The pre quiz sss is slightly different from the one you played - eg
3:30 in KQ bottom right table - the basic strategy says go all in to that $1 raise yet your stack2raise says no. I don't disagree with it but I want to get the strategy exact so we should ammend our charts? Also I would've slow played the straight to get the extra bet - did you decide not to do that because in order for sss to work you have to obey the set rules? Thanks once again

#94 tenorbetter, 04 Nov 09 23:19

love it. works a treat.

#95 futbolas69, 08 Nov 09 21:27

Position isn't the only thing you have to take into account when playing poker. Going only by what the starting hand chart tells you is the wrong way to play.

#96 Mate0, 09 Nov 09 11:40

Eu cred ca foldul acela cu TT a fost cam grabit. Un call era de ajuns, si daca dadea raise, fold. Simplu.

#97 Armaselu, 22 Nov 09 18:46

daca facea asa nu mai juca SSS :)

#98 Fireteh, 28 Nov 09 08:35

nu stiu
eu nu m as putea retrage cu KQ daca nu ar plusa cineva inainte mea..as da
un call

#99 Fireteh, 28 Nov 09 08:37

la 77 scria sa dea rise
si el se retrage, de ce???

#100 Fireteh, 28 Nov 09 08:39

cand te retragi asa de repede e ca si cum nu ti ai dat nici o sansa de la inceput , pokerul mai e legat putin si de noroc , poate ca o sa invat cateva lucruri din strategia asta , dar sigur nu o sa o aplic in totalitate.

#101 Rebegea, 08 Dec 09 05:06

#4 se retrage pentru ca dat raise inainte cineva si e periculos

#102 tomtom321go, 08 Dec 09 22:09

At a certain point you had KQ and there was a 1$ raise with 2 callers, even though te strategy card tells you to raise, you fold. when do you follow the strategy en when do you just fold

#103 DarthArt, 22 Dec 09 12:34

Хорошее видео,всё хоть и на английском,но очень просто и понятно.Спасибо автору!

#104 Teyiebuns, 25 Dec 09 19:01

Thank you Leo, I found this video really helpful as a new player :-)

#105 Teyiebuns, 27 Dec 09 17:59

This may seem a stupid question, but can you explain it to me. When you're playing the hands - you can see people have raised already in the position after you even though it's not their turn yet.

Example - 2:!4 in on the 77 hand top right. There's a raise from the guy to your left, but you havn't bet yet - why is this, or have you already called and he's re-raised? Can you explain cause I'm confused my client doesn't show this yet.

#106 Lim00n, 28 Dec 09 01:27

He is sitting in the big blind, who is last to act in the betting preflop (big blind is then 2nd to act at the flop, turn and river - acts after small blind)

#107 Teyiebuns, 30 Dec 09 18:36

Thank you Lim00n, I am stupid! :-P

#108 Teyiebuns, 30 Dec 09 18:42

Leo...

4:10 in, the KQ hand, which you had to fold. Is this what they call a 're-steal' by the BB, so he 're-steals' the BB from you, if you had AJ or AQ, for example, would you raise all-in here, as oppose to fold if it was anyone other than BB who raised? Does this make sense? I only just realised today what a 'steal' and 're-steal' is? I realise your KQ was not strong enough to do this with.

#109 Teyiebuns, 30 Dec 09 18:44

Another question, apologies for so many...

On the same question as #90. On your chart you have a 'stack size:raise size ratio' chart. But on my chart I downloaded from PokerStrategy.com this chart doesn't exist, so I don't know whether to copy your chart down and use this. Would I use this is in ANY situation where I was re-raised? Not just blinds?

#110 RemusA, 02 Jan 10 07:35

Exact Fireth,de aia esti si tu ai video-uri aici pe strategy :))

#111 retardonk, 12 Jan 10 16:45

E buna, functioneaza. Singurele momente nasoale au fost cand am adus eu imbunattiri.:)

#112 MakuRz, 22 Jan 10 11:29

It helped me a lot ! Thanks !

#113 kiddd7, 23 Jan 10 11:25

a dat fold cu 77 pentru ca a facut cineva raise inainte si strategia spune clar all-in sau fold iar in situatia de fata fold a fost decizia corecta :)

#114 arnokas, 17 Feb 10 08:56

a very nice vid :) enjoyed

#115 Egidijus203, 21 Feb 10 18:52

thx this realy help me

#116 StanislavI, 23 Feb 10 15:40

Таблицата на началните ръце, която Lео използва е стара. Най-добре да използвате актуалната таблица от http://bg.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/no-limit/1373/1

#117 luizrjst, 28 Feb 10 03:03

Very good video, helped me on money management and in some plays I usually missed

#118 MaGnyS, 14 Mar 10 14:20

Автору большая благодарность... Все объяснено на высшем классе.. +1

#119 krogertiene, 18 Mar 10 13:08

Great video,realy helps..

#120 arkanen, 30 Mar 10 00:54

Don't wanna nitpick, but for me it seems like in 6:40 you were in early, not middle position - still the same rules apply so no big deal. To me easiest way to count position (of course if you're in late or blinds its very easy) is counting counter-clockwise from the dealer.

#121 Jeffalicious, 20 Apr 10 18:43

does anyone know how can i get a starting hand chart just like the one in the video??

#122 beerdog222, 10 May 10 19:14

i just watch my first video on here and have been playing a for some time now and leaned more off of this one video than i have the hole time playing.thank so much and cant wait to watch more.

#123 beerdog222, 10 May 10 19:17

asnd were can i get that starting hand chart

#124 Gerv, 11 May 10 10:15

The starting hand chart in this video is outdated and incomplete therefore I recommend just downloading the v4 in the strategy articles:
http://bit.ly/d0anZD

- Gerv

#128 erickaie, 06 Jun 10 14:39

nice vid verry nice hehehe ,,,its helps,, but where can i get the chart like your ???

#129 vov977, 11 Jun 10 07:38

Автор good job!

#130 Barchie, 25 Jun 10 23:33

заметили? тут и Diafall играл

#131 pleyboyZ, 10 Jul 10 14:25

Nice vid. Where i can download those cards?

#132 JonnyJr555, 19 Oct 10 18:02

nice video there!
lot of action there! +1 pokerstrategy

#133 fanel09, 03 Dec 10 07:31

HI!I have a question... Suppose we hold AJ in big blind UTG1-limp MP2-limp BTN-raise. Wath is the best play here? We go all-in and take this situation like a steal or because are 2 limpers we fold like we do to a normal raise situation?

#135 churchilland, 12 Nov 11 00:37

what a old video, great but you were quite lucky with AK

#136 ishallpass0, 14 Jan 12 08:14

such a luckbox lol

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