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Our new producer, Collin Moshman, brings us his first ever video for PokerStrategy.com on how to counter LAG HU opponents in SNG's. Enjoy the video and please leave your feedback for Collin.
#1
DanielK, 26 Sep 11 14:31
Enjoy Collin´s first video and please keep the comments in English!#6
Jaschamc, 27 Sep 11 13:59
good explanations and i like the fast speaking! more hu sng vids please!#7
sambucatus, 27 Sep 11 14:03
Great video!#8
Gerovit, 27 Sep 11 14:06
Very good in narrowing opponents ranges, going through hands efficiently with clear explanations.Looking forward to see more.#9
DanielK, 27 Sep 11 14:34
@6 we are planing to release more HU Sng videos. But maybe they will require a higher status in the future.#10
inlovewithamsterdam, 27 Sep 11 15:18
very valuable content. great job!#11
vitanueva1, 27 Sep 11 15:31
SORRY...ARE YOU THE REAL MOSHMAN???? (THE SIT AND GO EVANGEIST???????)#12
Munchking, 27 Sep 11 15:58
awesome video, keep them coming :D#13
flober, 27 Sep 11 16:05
In Russian please!#14
Pansenmann, 27 Sep 11 16:08
great video, really well explained. I would like more HUSNG content including math.#15
DanielK, 27 Sep 11 16:14
@13 The video will also be released in the russian community, stay tuned ;-)#16
Jaschamc, 27 Sep 11 16:14
@9 I would be pleased if they require goldstatus at most ^_^#17
Peque09, 27 Sep 11 16:57
great video.great job.
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Falco35, 27 Sep 11 17:00
hm!? T7s, interessting hand..But I think its not so clear Call imo. Maybe, if the Range ist okay with some str8 DrawsNice Vid!!!
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sirilidion, 27 Sep 11 17:10
at the end you said you like the small raise more then the shove and would shove the A3o because of the low playabilaty. Wouldn't this result a observing opponent to adjust acordingly or don't you think that this opponent would not exploit this?#20
GrafAnton, 27 Sep 11 17:28
The living legend !#21
Falco35, 27 Sep 11 17:58
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Gavron23, 27 Sep 11 18:10
A fishy question:)25:38 could we not consider floating at least the flop if he cbets, because I still expect him to cbet a lot of air hands on this board, or it is just that we are out of position and we can face a possible multi-street bets that we will have to fold?
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Gavron23, 27 Sep 11 18:26
35:50 how about donking this flop? He pretty much almost never has an ace here, and it maybe it depends what lvl he is thinking on(we should also never have an ace)#24
Gavron23, 27 Sep 11 18:28
Really nice video, thanks, and welcome to the community :)#25
Falco35, 27 Sep 11 18:43
Hero played fine#26
Gavron23, 27 Sep 11 18:47
At 33:00 any king should be an unexploitable push with 13 BB#27
CollinMoshman, 27 Sep 11 19:52
Thanks for the feedback everyone, very glad people enjoyed my first video.Sirlidion: At say 14 bb deep, even if we choose to open-shove hands like A2o and 22, we still have both raise/fold and raise/call ranges. So when we min-raise, he won't know if we're trying to induce with AQ, or planning to fold with J3s.
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CollinMoshman, 27 Sep 11 19:58
Gavron23, the problems at 25:38 are that even if ace-high is the best hand, we don't have great equity against his range, and as you point out, we're out of position and will possibly be facing two more bets of increasing size.#29
CollinMoshman, 27 Sep 11 20:08
Falco35, I agree that Hero played very well overall, and he is a very winning HUSNG player.Gavron23, at 35:50 I think donking the flop is a fine alternative. At 33:00, Holdem Resources shows K2o as unexploitable up to 11.6 bb.
#30
commanderphil, 27 Sep 11 20:13
why isnt he minraisingagainst such an aggressiv
opponent?
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Munchking, 27 Sep 11 21:00
against this kind of opponent, we want to open tighter, but call 3bet/4bet lighter...how would that go? what kind of hand range would you need to call down a 25% 3bet when in deep/middle stack, and what kind of range would you 4bet?what about value 3betting him oop? KQ/AT+/99+? what to call a shove with, not in short stacks yet?
if he's check/raising 30%, are we fine with 2nd pair/good kicker, as in the hand in the video? is it a fold to his lead on turn? if he's likely to bet us all the way, are we still going to call the check/raise with 2nd pair?
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Gavron23, 27 Sep 11 21:24
Thanks for the explanation - my bad about K2o hand#33
Gavron23, 27 Sep 11 21:27
For the 35:50 hand if we donk he raises, when we have the info that he is raising often on the flop would you prefer to donk/fold or donk/3bet shove with a speck of FE?#34
Genius91, 28 Sep 11 00:38
good job . nice video collin!#35
Harnas31, 28 Sep 11 05:27
1 of my favourite vids.YOu dont move arrow unndecessary when you speak that irritates me in most vids.
The tempo of speaking is very good so I can follow your way of thinking.
You just say what has to be said and go to next hand which is great, no being oversmart. :)
Such vid I can watch more than once with pleasure.
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CollinMoshman, 28 Sep 11 05:58
Commanderphil,a lot of the min-raise vs 2.5x or 3x debate is stylistic (a few winning players even open-limp), but I agree against this type of player you should be more inclined to raise smaller.Gavron, in the 35:50 hand, if we bet out and he raised, it would depend on his sizing. If he made a raise that looked committing, I'd just toss the hand if I wasn't getting the implied odds to continue by calling. If he raised an amount that left us FE on a shove, then 3-betting is a pretty solid play.
Munchking, a rough value 3-bet range might be 77/AJ/KQ, and we would certainly be content to play for stacks against this opponent (i.e. 4bet / get it in) with at 99/AQ. Hands that we'll go with post-flop facing a check/raise depend a lot on stack depth, flop texture, etc. With that said, against a player like this, we're going to be pretty stubborn with 2nd pair facing a c/r on most flops.
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CollinMoshman, 28 Sep 11 06:01
And thanks again to everyone so far who has posted nice feedback on this video, it's very encouraging to me as I spend a lot of time producing content, so I really appreciate that :)#38
Munchking, 28 Sep 11 08:52
thx for the answersure a video to rewatch with a notepad
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JayGatsby, 28 Sep 11 09:30
Hey Colin,you say:
"At say 14 bb deep, even if we choose to open-shove hands like A2o and 22, we still have both raise/fold and raise/call ranges. So when we min-raise, he won't know if we're trying to induce with AQ, or planning to fold with J3s."
This means, however, that our openshoving Range is face up (the hands that are too bad to raise/call but to good to fold).
And our raising range is also much easier to read because Villain can safely exclude the shoving combos of our range.
lg
Jay
#40
JayGatsby, 28 Sep 11 09:30
btw very nice video ;)#41
Diddy81, 28 Sep 11 09:37
31:39 : I would prefer to fold in an HU-SNG instead of calling, because the call is close to neutral EV. If we loose we are in bad shap and I think we will get better spots vs this bad player to stick the money in in the future match. So we do not have to risik our good position and can wait for a better spot. I think this would higher our overall EV.#42
Beta5643, 28 Sep 11 09:45
just one word: AWESOME :)#43
HariRadovan, 28 Sep 11 10:42
Hi Collin, I´m very happy you produce vids for Ps.de!I liked that video very much (5 stars!) but I was a little surprised that you never suggestet completing a hand like K2o or K3o from the SB as you did in your book HU-No-limit-Holdem. Is this because your opponent plays a laggy style and would therefore often raise or did you change your attitude on completing high-low-hands from the SB?
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grrgrrbla, 28 Sep 11 11:02
hey collin,great video! nice to have someone that competent doing husng-videos!
min 12:42: what about a small valuebet vs q-high, maybe even j-high or a random 6 that he hit with his flushdraw, some smaller pocketpair ? we basically never loose, the worst that could happen is a split against another 8, so i would like a small valuebet of like 40 vs q-high, because he seems fishy enough to pay off.
min 15: i like the checkback because villain checkraises 32% and we just have to fold facing a checkraise which he could do with hands that we are slightly ahead of (just many draws on that board) and when he checkraises and we call, there is basically no turn we are happy with.
min 29:06: i would fold given that he didn't even valuebet 2npgk on the paired board before (t9 on j229x i think) and he has been very passive so far even checking down no showdownvalue oop.
overall: would love another husng video against a lag who is very aggro post and not just pre and on the flop (checkraising alot of flops) because the villain we played against just played very passively on the turn and river especially oop,
#45
natixGH, 28 Sep 11 11:04
Nice vid, and nice to you here, sir.#46
murschi, 28 Sep 11 11:29
Mein english ist bekackt. da kann ich auch schlager hören. aber schöne bilder^^#47
kanzler80, 28 Sep 11 13:08
Hi Collin, always liked your Vids at Stox and CR. Great News you are working with pokerstrategy.com now. Will you produce a few videos with Katie? Your old "Babes of Stoxpoker"-Video was one of the most entertaining vids ive ever seen. Greetings to you and Katie! P.S.: Do you still have your dog?#48
janalissako, 28 Sep 11 14:07
Hey Collin,I am very happy that u are posting videos for pokerstartegy now, because you are a brilliant pokermind. great video. please pokerstrategy let all of us see these great videos and not only platin status+.
#49
zilltine, 28 Sep 11 15:16
ohhh my god, awesome to have Collin#50
MarcPS, 28 Sep 11 15:45
unbelievably good video. one of the best I've seen on HUSNGs.I can't wait to see what else you've got in your locker, Collin.
#51
Yoghurt1973, 28 Sep 11 15:56
Hi Collin,Question about your pushing range from your SNG Strategy book. Its much tighter than ICM suggest. Are you still behind those pushing ranges or is it better to learn ICM pushing ranges nowadays?
As you say on page 247 of your book. "These are only rough guidelines, determined by playing experience, the Sklansky-Chubokov numbers, and reasonable assumptions using Pokerstove and ICM"
These tables are bases on which stakes and/or callingranges sb and bb?
What do you recommend for SNG's nowadys? Shove wider or not up to whcih stakes?
Thanks in advance,
Yoghurt1973
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DtotheC, 28 Sep 11 17:02
Great video Collin, will be sure to watch again until I can absorb it all :)#53
MonkeySam, 28 Sep 11 18:15
amamzing!!!!!!!!111#54
CollinMoshman, 28 Sep 11 19:45
JayGatsby, Yes in that case your open-shove range would be fairly face-up. If you're only shoving hands that are unexploitable in the sense that they show a profit regardless of your opponent's calling range, however, it is not easy for him to take advantage of this information. And while he can exclude a limited number of hands from our min-raise range, it will still contain many weak and strong hands, which will make his 3bet decision difficult.Diddy81, I definitely understand and respect that opinion. My point in that hand is just that from a math/EV perspective, calling and folding are close.
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CollinMoshman, 28 Sep 11 19:49
Hari, one thing I mentioned above is that what you do with hands you play on the button is partly stylistic. With that said, particularly against a loose opponent, open-limping can definitely be a viable option.Kanzler, thanks! I'd love to work with Katie again on a video, I'll see if I can arrange that :) And yes I definitely still have the dog.
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CollinMoshman, 28 Sep 11 19:59
grrgrrbla, A thin value bet there is a cool idea, but I would disagree that we have nothing to lose. He could put us in a strange spot by c/r'ing, and we did see in another hand that he went for a c/r on multiple streets with a strong hand.With the 75, both checking and betting have their pros, and Hero (who I mentioned is a very winning player) agreed with you. For me though, giving him a free card is a negative enough outcome that I prefer betting.
At 29:06, I agree that's close, and I definitely wouldn't mind the fold. And you're actually right about this opponent, he's very LAG on the early streets, but less so on the later streets. So that's a very good observation.
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CollinMoshman, 28 Sep 11 20:01
Oh and Yoghurt, I'd recommend generating your own ranges for common spots using software such as SNGWizard, and the ICM calculator at HoldemResources. My friend Greg (Zerosum) calls this process constructing "pivot points," and it'll be a topic I discuss in my 9-man and MTTSNG videos.#58
SUPERSYS3, 28 Sep 11 20:07
nice to you here! and very nice video#59
Yoghurt1973, 28 Sep 11 20:12
Nice!#60
grrgrrbla, 28 Sep 11 21:19
thanks for the reply! really nice to see someone responding to all the comments and questions!!!!! really looking forward to your future videos!!#61
DzikiHenry, 28 Sep 11 22:10
omg i belive you are SNG god but plzsleep well before recording materials for PS
obv gr8 stuff for me !
#62
jasonforan, 28 Sep 11 23:45
Nice video man hope to enjoy many more in the future.Also whats with the fist pump?Jersey shore fan by any chance?:D lol. Collin "The Situation" Moshman its got a nice ring to it lol#63
Zolt4n, 29 Sep 11 06:02
Fabulous video, very nice stuff Collin.#64
DoigteurFou, 30 Sep 11 13:45
Excellent video. Really hoping the following ones will be gold!Welcome pokerstrategy!
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BadeaCelRau, 30 Sep 11 19:04
WOW! Collin Moshman, really?? Golden video#66
SiladuS92, 01 Oct 11 14:58
норм#67
Zeezout, 02 Oct 11 04:33
Nice one!Hope you'll produce some complete SH and FR-SNG too :)
#68
maikii23, 02 Oct 11 09:31
Great video and explanation...watched it twice :)#69
etnogvozd, 02 Oct 11 11:38
awesoooooooome!!! thx coach!#70
cToPy6Jleu, 05 Oct 11 10:04
12.30 I'm disagree with check turn because, for first there can be draws and overcards (float) and we must protect; for second if he have Kx then - no matter, because we will paid on the river for his bet if check the turn. if he have 8x then we split, but he can have 8x with better kicker who can hit. With second barrel on turn we buy free showdown. I will bet turn around potsize there to knock out 8x and if I'm sure if he raise turn with Kx, then I will bet river. Sorry for my bad english =)#71
cToPy6Jleu, 05 Oct 11 10:06
12.10 sry#72
PaddyRoyal, 10 Oct 11 05:20
Very good vid., nice voice and good explanations.Please more!
German would be nice.
AND BIG COMPLIMENT FOR YOUR HEADS-UP BOOK and of corse the book of Sit 'n Go!!!
Thank you very much and of cource thanks to the hole POKERSTRATEGY-Team!!
It's nice to learn Poker this way:)
#73
FLINTY86, 14 Oct 11 09:43
Ty for Video, Collin!!Read both of your books!
You are a good coach - all comments understandable and simple!
Gl in your coaching career!
#74
ganatodoAA, 19 Oct 11 23:26
hi colin. greatvideo. youre explanations are very logical and are easy to understand. just one question:early on when determing villains range dont you disregard AA/KK/QQ or are you certain that he is gonna 4bet them pretty much a 100% of the time?
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loisl1990, 26 Oct 11 10:02
def. should be a platinum+ vid imo#76
Tim64, 29 Oct 11 13:19
30:48 and earlier. Since you did the pot odds vs equity needed calcs while using HEM, why not just use the "Pot Odds %" figure as your equity needed (rather than doing '1 divided by 2.18 etc'). If you were doing the calc from scratch I'd understand but you're taking the pot odds figure from HEM anyway so calculing the Eq (when it's on the screen for you to see) seems unecessary. Other than that, excellent video - really clear explanations of why to bet or check with different strength holdings!#77
ReAcHtheSkY, 24 Nov 11 17:57
Hi, Collin!Great video, thanks:)
A little advice: you can rearrange hands chronologically in HM replayer, that would probably be more convenient.
I think that Hero's call 3-bet all in with A5s is a little losing play, because in my opinion with this 3-bet size (12 times Hero's bet) I would exclude out of villain's range weakest aces like A2-A5o and smth. like KTo, QJo. I also think that he would not play monsters this way, he would probably slowplay or 3-bet small with JJ+. So his range isn't so wide - probably low-to-mid pocket pairs, mid-high aces, maybe KQ and some suited connectors - about 17-19%, which gives Hero about 42-45% equity.
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Netshark71, 23 Dec 11 17:22
This viseo are verry nice and now i´m motivated to play and learn more about HU´s SnG´s. At first i bought the HU book from Collin Moshman.