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[NL20-NL50] FR25 ZOOM JTs deeper

    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Gold
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 7,148
      PokerStars - $0.25 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $58.33
      SB: $39.99
      BB: $12.50
      Hero (UTG): $44.27
      UTG+1: $39.85
      UTG+2: $32.09
      MP: $6.75
      MP+1: $26.24
      CO: $36.42

      SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has T:heart: J:heart:

      Hero raises to $0.99, UTG+1 calls $0.99, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

      Flop: ($2.33, 2 players) J:club: 9:diamond: J:spade:
      Hero bets $1.23, UTG+1 calls $1.23

      Turn: ($4.79, 2 players) T:club:
      Hero bets $2.46, UTG+1 calls $2.46

      River: ($9.71, 2 players) K:spade:
      Hero bets $...?

      [P] Called any raise {QQ-KK,88-99,T9s} (5)


      flop and turn sizings are horrible i assume :P
      anyway... in his range are 99, KJ, maybe TT, KK even...? he has already done this before.
  • 7 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Hi,

      Half pot bet on the flop is fine. You can bet 3.5$ with nuts, since very likely he has there often pair+draw type hand. Since any Qx would call your river bet I would bet 12$ on the river. Doubt he would find there fold that often and he likely does not have too many Jx hand that might call 7$ bet.

      best regards,
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Gold
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 7,148
      if he shoves on top, are we calling it off?

      actually i was more concerned about getting the maximum from 99/TT/Qx.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by Tomaloc
      if he shoves on top, are we calling it off?

      actually i was more concerned about getting the maximum from 99/TT/Qx.
      I don´t see any reason why he should shove on the flop. If he raises I would only call, since then I´m likely against better Jx or bluff.
      overbetting river would get you maximum value out of weaker boats

      best regards,
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Gold
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 7,148
      i mean the river.

      think i just can't fold it since he can always have TT-?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Tomaloc,

      Flop: I'd still Bet it a bit bigger cause we are also deep and we want to get some value from his hands. If he doesn't have a hand he wont pay us much anyways.
      Turn: Same goes for turn, still Bet it bigger. :P
      River: I would most likely end up just shoving cause Qx hands could even Call us and of course worse FH are also possible:

      Board: J:club: 9:diamond: J:spade:  T:club:  K:spade:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    37.50%  37.50%   0.00% { KK-QQ, TT-99, KJs, KJo }
      UTG+1  62.50%  62.50%   0.00% { JhTh }

      we still get the equity.

      Best Regards.
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Gold
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 7,148
      actual outcome was that i shoved and self-owned vs KK. :f_biggrin:
      still yeah, i wanted something more like that range analysis. at first i thought i had overplayed, then later i passed it off as standard and now i'm not sure anymore...

      i disagree with that in that i think he's good enough to fold QQ to a shove.
      so we'd get..


      Board: J:club: 9:diamond: J:spade:  T:club:  K:spade:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    60.00%  60.00%   0.00% { KK, TT-99, KJs, KJo }
      UTG+1  40.00%  40.00%   0.00% { JhTh }


      but i'd also then give him credit for folding KJ preflop (which goes against what i said on op but yeah, i take it back that he has KJ in his range, i was still shocked). then it gets better


      Board: J:club: 9:diamond: J:spade:  T:club:  K:spade:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    42.86%  42.86%   0.00% { KK, TT-99 }
      UTG+1  57.14%  57.14%   0.00% { JhTh }


      and this is probably giving too much credit, but i really thought that he could fold 99 there. so


      Board: J:club: 9:diamond: J:spade:  T:club:  K:spade:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    75.00%  75.00%   0.00% { KK, TT }
      UTG+1  25.00%  25.00%   0.00% { JhTh }


      guess calling range #2 is most realistic which makes the shove fine?
      or maybe this is all wrong since he doesn't really seem like the most positionally aware guy ever, even for the small sample.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Well, I'd still include also KJs into his range which he could flat, then it's pretty much 50/50 case. Which means that vs those assumptions that you don't think he is calling with Qx hands then it should be a standard Bet/Fold spot cause I doubt that such a guy would ever raise there with weaker FH. Nor we haven't invested that much into the pot.