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[Coaching] NEW lnternet fortnightly Platinum+

    • lnternet
      lnternet
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.06.2012 Posts: 782
      Hi, nice post gonepoker.

      I will use the first hand in the next coaching, it's a good question.
    • lnternet
      lnternet
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.06.2012 Posts: 782
      Coaching 2 (21.05.14)

      Hand 1: AQ vs turn shove
      Hand 2: AK vs turn checkraise [FR]
      Hand 3: QJ vs river overbet allin
      Hand 4: AK vs checkraise, bet, jam deep
      VOD: http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/33568/
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,588
      I am not sure if I am allowed to post a problem, without actual hand, but i will try it. I already posted couple of theoretical problems in advanced discoussion forum, but people dont answer to them, so I will try here.


      1)
      Lets say we are SB and 3bet bluff heavy range vs BU open raise who folds 90% vs 3bet. So I would 3bet mostly suited trash hands, and A2o-A9o, from value hands only AA, KK.

      The problem is, that if BB is thinking reg, he will easily realize the situation and can 4bet any hand vs which I can't defend.
      How should I adapt my strategy vs that, to not to let BB brutally exploit me, but to still exploit BU? As I would go towards bluffing less vs bu, so I would let BB take bigger part of the cake.

      2) Opposite situation I am BB now. Should I assume SB reg has wide 3bet range and 4bet bluff heavy vs him? Should I expect adaption? anyway this spot will not reoccur often.


      The best solution I see for SB is to see BU's open raise as dead money, and to basically 3bet the range he would open raise from SB and defend accordingly?
    • Lucker9200
      Lucker9200
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.06.2010 Posts: 271
      Not sure if we could still post hands but in case its still open :)

      villain is somewhat aggro fish 40/23 w 7% 3b overall , have seen him flat in SBvCO/BU w Q8s/99/KJo/QTo/Q8o and also 3b AJo/KQo , and he has 55 F cbet/45 T cbet in 2b pots

      IPoker, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $219.80 (219.8 bb)
      BB: $83.19 (83.2 bb)
      UTG: $131 (131 bb)
      MP: $21 (21 bb)
      CO: $60.86 (60.9 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $100 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with T :diamond: Q :spade:
      3 folds, Hero raises to $2, SB raises to $10, BB folds, Hero calls $8

      Flop: ($21) 7 :heart: Q :club: 3 :heart: (2 players)
      SB bets $14.70, Hero calls $14.70

      Turn: ($50.40) 2 :spade: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($50.40) 6 :heart: (2 players)
      SB bets $45, Hero ??
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,588
      PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 360.18 BB (VPIP: 27.16, PFR: 22.60, 3Bet Preflop: 6.29, Hands: 432)
      SB: 94.84 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 9.78, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 97)
      BB: 113.62 BB (VPIP: 25.69, PFR: 21.53, 3Bet Preflop: 9.62, Hands: 152)
      UTG: 101.08 BB (VPIP: 26.51, PFR: 22.44, 3Bet Preflop: 11.07, Hands: 733)
      MP: 144.44 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 1.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)
      Hero (CO): 170.9 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2:spade: A:spade:

      UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, BTN calls 8 BB, fold, fold, fold

      Flop: (20.5 BB, 2 players) K:spade: 4:spade: A:club:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

      Turn: (40.5 BB, 2 players) 4:club:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 20 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

      River: (80.5 BB, 2 players) 8:heart:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 322.18 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 132.9 BB and is all-in

      BTN shows K:diamond: K:heart: (Full House, Kings full of Fours) (Pre 67%, Flop 70%, Turn 95%)
      Hero shows 2:spade: A:spade: (Two Pair, Aces and Fours) (Pre 33%, Flop 30%, Turn 5%)
      BTN wins 341.3 BB


      He has 55% fold vs 3bet, but cold call 3bet 0/18 times (not sure if this stat is relevant because we are deep, he is IP and it is small sample). His AF is 9.25 flop, also not sure if relevant much for the whole hand.

      I 3bet vs this utg A2s-A5s, AQo, KQo; AK, JJ+ he didnt fold so much vs 3bet, but folds postflop.

      So I would, check/call flop KQ, QQ, JJ, A2s-A5s, AA, so may general plan is to call one street with JJ, QQ, 2 streets KQ and call down A2s-A5s, AA.

      Here it is specific that BU should have narrow range, maybe he has also all PP, and SC, but I am not sure how much he bluffs those. Also I block spade fd, club fd is blocked by board Ac. I thought if I fold all A2s-A5s I will be exploited and with Ax I block his value hands.

      He had also interesting bet sizes, should I draw any conclusions out of it?
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
      Black
      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,588
      PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 111.7 BB (VPIP: 15.83, PFR: 7.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 126)
      Hero (SB): 194.44 BB
      BB: 196.06 BB (VPIP: 25.47, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 164)
      UTG: 85.34 BB
      MP: 113.36 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
      CO: 129.3 BB (VPIP: 20.69, PFR: 14.66, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 118)

      Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:heart: K:club:

      UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 7 BB, BB calls 6 BB, UTG calls 5 BB

      Flop: (21 BB, 3 players) 8:diamond: K:heart: J:diamond:
      Hero checks, BB bets 12 BB, UTG calls 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

      Turn: (57 BB, 3 players) 4:spade:
      Hero checks, BB bets 177.06 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 175.44 BB and is all-in

      River: (407.88 BB, 2 players) A:club:

      Hero shows Q:heart: K:club: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 69%, Flop 53%, Turn 73%)
      BB shows K:diamond: 9:diamond: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 31%, Flop 47%, Turn 27%)
      Hero wins 402.88 BB



      I thought on turn he never pure bluffs, but also makes little sense to shove 2pair + this way, or AA, AK. So I did put him on combo draws which attacks my cappt range.
      Which combos would you call here. KQ is really top of my range, but I am not sure if it is important here.
    • lnternet
      lnternet
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      Joined: 19.06.2012 Posts: 782
      Originally posted by GingerKid
      The best solution I see for SB is to see BU's open raise as dead money, and to basically 3bet the range he would open raise from SB and defend accordingly?
      100% accurate :)

      You see it as "90%-dead money" and imagine you were playing SB vs BB as usual, just with a bigger starting pot and smaller SPR. You certainly open raise more than without that dead money now (and the open raises are 3bets), but not way much more. Say 38% open raise normally, now you might 3bet 50%, or so.

      As BB, you look at how much the SB 3bets and play accordingly. Of course you don't know for sure, just assume some reasonable value. I'd say you 4bet AJ,88 to get it in, and call Axs,K9s,KTo,87s, or something similar.
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
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      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,588
      I am not sure if we should still post, but I have to post this one. One of the craziest folds I had.

      PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 101.72 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
      SB: 326.5 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)
      Hero (BB): 111.4 BB
      UTG: 146.18 BB (VPIP: 10.05, PFR: 3.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 194)
      MP: 179 BB (VPIP: 32.14, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 29)
      CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.50, PFR: 14.50, 3Bet Preflop: 1.28, Hands: 206)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8:diamond: 8:heart:

      fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, fold, SB calls 2 BB, Hero calls 1.5 BB

      Flop: (7.5 BB, 3 players) 4:diamond: 8:club: K:heart:
      SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

      Turn: (7.5 BB, 3 players) Q:diamond:
      SB bets 3.58 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, CO raises to 29 BB, fold, fold
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
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      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,588
      One more interesting spot imo:

      PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 138.22 BB (VPIP: 26.00, PFR: 19.67, 3Bet Preflop: 9.40, Hands: 1,312)
      SB: 107 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
      BB: 50 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 11)
      UTG: 101.2 BB (VPIP: 20.36, PFR: 15.57, 3Bet Preflop: 4.23, Hands: 170)
      MP: 104.3 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.45, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 44)
      Hero (CO): 100 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:heart: K:club:

      UTG raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold, SB calls 2 BB, fold

      Flop: (8.5 BB, 3 players) K:spade: A:club: 6:heart:
      SB checks, UTG bets 4.87 BB, Hero calls 4.87 BB, SB raises to 16.91 BB, UTG calls 12.04 BB, fold

      Turn: (47.19 BB, 2 players) J:diamond:
      SB bets 87.59 BB and is all-in, fold



      Fold ? It looks just too likely that some of them has set. Also call from UTG is very strong, I dont see what he flats other than AK, A6s, and sets?

      Would you defend it vs bet bet shove from PFR? Somehow it is still bluff catcher, well maybe on some rundowns he could have worse 2 pairs.
    • Deliveranced
      Deliveranced
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      Joined: 15.06.2012 Posts: 222
      Hope there will be more coachings from you, Paul. :) Got a hand as well:

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $6(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($1,017)
      BB ($661)
      UTG ($284)
      CO ($779)
      BTN ($485)

      Dealt to Hero K:diamond: T:diamond:

      fold, CO raises to $15.75, fold, Hero raises to $60, fold, CO calls $44.25

      FLOP ($126) 8:diamond: T:heart: 2:heart:

      Hero bets $66, CO calls $66

      TURN ($258) 8:diamond: T:heart: 2:heart: 7:club:

      Hero checks, CO bets $141, Hero?


      Btn is fishy, playing 35/10
      CO stats : 28/21, fold to 3b 65% SBvsCO (34), 6% 4b overall (5k hand sample)
      WTSD 23% WWSF 44%

      We're 130blinds deep eff

      I don't see merit in betting more/less than half pot on the flop on this texture this deep, maybe a check is fine too but he wasn't the type to stab (55% bet IP 3b pots).

      On the turn I prefer checking over betting as there's a very small amount of made hands to get value from and he most likely bets the majority of his draws here. Now that he does bet I think we can only call or shove. I feel like a shove here looks a lot like AA-KK, some nut fd's and some sets so by c/shoving I think I can fold out a good chunk of better hands and get it in with good equity vs any draw besides 78hh. I'm dead vs 4 combos of J9s, about 4 combos of sets that he doesn't raise flop (i'm going out on a limb here) and against the rest I have either very good FEQ or straight up equity.

      What do you think?
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
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      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,588
      bug
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $2.5/$5 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BU (Hero):
      $792.02
      SB:
      $544.24
      BB:
      $500.00
      MP2:
      $1095.06
      MP3:
      $598.84
      CO:
      $502.50


      Preflop: Hero is BU with K, 6.
      3 folds, Hero raises to $10.00, SB calls $7.50, BB calls $5.00.

      Flop: ($30) 6, 6, A (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $20.00, SB calls $20.00, BB folds.

      Turn: ($70) 8 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $67.20, SB calls $67.20.

      River: ($204.4) 5 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $134.39, SB raises to $447.04(All-In), Hero ?.

      Final Pot: $1098.48.

      Villain is 24/18/7
      WWSF 47
      Fold/Call/3bet in SB vs BU 77/6/17
      Fold F/T/R cbet 48/39/74

      In hindsight his stats may seem a little too nitty for me to hero-call w less than a flush. I'm curious to know a few things
      1. Bottom of our calling range (both GTO and exploitative)
      2. What a theoretically-optimal jamming range could look like from SB's perspective (use A:hX as bluffs?)
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $2.5/$5 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $534.16
      SB:
      $504.32
      BB:
      $505.00
      MP2:
      $449.44
      MP3:
      $500.00
      CO (Hero):
      $1349.05


      Preflop: Hero is CO with K, J.
      2 folds, Hero raises to $10.00, 2 folds, BB calls $5.00.

      Flop: ($22.5) 2, 8, J (2 players)
      BB bets $15.00, Hero calls $15.00.

      Turn: ($52.5) K (2 players)
      BB bets $40.00, Hero calls $40.00.

      River: ($132.5) 3 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $90.00, BB raises to $295.00, Hero folds, BB gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $222.5.

      I think people almost never ever bluff here and he has A like 95% of the time.

      1. How do you approach this spot? Just call A and fold K/Q? I guess we probably shouldn't be valuebetting worse than Q, which may already be thin.
      2. How do you balance your range in villain's shoes? What is a good raise size? Min-raise? What hands do you use to bluff with?
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $2.5/$5 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $557.64
      SB:
      $877.01
      BB:
      $500.00
      MP2:
      $689.79
      MP3 (Hero):
      $500.00
      CO:
      $1042.81


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, T.
      MP2 raises to $12.50, Hero raises to $35.00, CO calls $35.00, 3 folds, MP2 calls $22.50.

      Flop: ($112.5) A, K, J (3 players)
      MP2 checks, Hero checks, CO bets $110.00, MP2 folds, Hero calls $110.00.

      Turn: ($332.5) 4 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $897.81(All-In), Hero ?

      Final Pot: $332.5.

      UTG is a 30/20 guy who seems like a semi-fish
      CO seems like a huge whale, 100/0 over 3 hands. 1-tabler

      I would probably be iso-3betting the fish super wide, like all suited broadways, AT+,KJ+,99+, A2s+, 67s+

      On one hand his line looks super strong and fishes are generally passive. On the other hand 100/0 over 3 hands may be indicative that he plays all sorts of crap pre and may overplay them.

      I thought that AT should be at the bottom of my calling range since he may sometimes randomly jam mid-pair + gutshot or overplay a ton of weaker AX hands. at the same time maybe it's wrong to assume that he should be flatting stuff like A9o preflop since my read on him isn't very strong and by default he should have ATs+/AJ+, KJs+/KQ, 77+ at the very least, which mostly crushes AT here if he is not spazzing with some underpair
    • lnternet
      lnternet
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      Joined: 19.06.2012 Posts: 782
      Coaching 3 (04.06.14)

      All the hands were in this thread:

      Hand 1: QT vs large river bet
      Hand 2: A8 vs check-raise, river brings flush
      Hand 3: K6s vs river check-raise
      Hand 4: KTs in 3bet pot, turn tough spot
      Hand 5: KJo river flush vs check-raise
      VOD: being processed
    • KTU
      KTU
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      All Podcasts from Internet!

      Rare Spots with lnternetGTO in action!


      deep thinking with Internet


      To Cbet or not to Cbet


      Out of position - check/call or check/raise


      3bet pots with internet
    • KTU
      KTU
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      Hi guys!

      Use your chance to influence Internet's next coaching! Should he put his focus on:

      A) cbet or no-cbet.
      Internet will discuss hands with focusing on continuation bet strategies. Which hands should belong to your bet and which should belong to your check range? He will give you insides on how to make your decision from optimal and exploitive point of view. Obviously he will discuss his future street implications as well. Have you ever thought about which hands are good for bluff checking twice and bluff the river? Internet has answers for you.

      B) uncommon but underrated bet sizes.
      Internet will pick some hands and will come up with some alternative bet sizes. Check-minraise Turn, huge overbets vs capped value ranges, different betsizes on the river, etc. ... If you feel too close to the "66%" button in your poker client, you should vote for uncommon but underrated bet sizes.

      Feel free to make your own suggestions for the next coachings!
    • GingerKid
      GingerKid
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      Joined: 05.08.2007 Posts: 5,588
      first A) in next coatching B) and then C)
    • LemOn36
      LemOn36
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      can you do a coaching on how to best roughly estimate the %equity we realize when calling preflop with various hand groupings?
      esp when it comes to calling 3bets, 4bets I got no clue :)


      From the two topics, definitely underrated bet sizings. I'd especially like to see if you can split your ranges on a street by multiple sizings and how you'd balance all your 2/3/4 ranges (2-3sizes+checking range) - I think the turn heads up with initiative will be the best example of this as ranges will be wide and you can split your ranges on most boards in theory
    • KTU
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      please use the poll in this thread!