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180 Man Turbo, Level 2 , CO Vs BB, 4 bet Call AI

    • Heave112
      Joined: 27.03.2009 Posts: 472
      Hero is with A8 here, Was this the correct decision since this was a turbo format tournament, so the aggression factor needs to come up, and this will be a profitable play in the long run in such a tournament?

      Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (25/50 blinds, 6 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools by CardRunners - Hand Details

      UTG+2: 473 (9.5 bb)
      MP1: 1,821 (36.4 bb)
      MP2: 1,455 (29.1 bb)
      MP3: 1,374 (27.5 bb)
      CO: 1,374 (27.5 bb)
      BTN: 2,430 (48.6 bb)
      SB: 1,525 (30.5 bb)
      BB: 1,420 (28.4 bb)
      UTG+1: 1,628 (32.6 bb)

      5 folds, CO raises to 140, BTN raises to 400, 2 folds, CO raises to 1,368 and is all-in, BTN calls 968

      Flop: (2,865) :Jc: :4d: :9h: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: (2,865) :Ac: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: (2,865) :8c: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      2,865 pot
      Final Board: :Jc: :4d: :9h: :Ac: :8c:
      CO showed :Kc: :Kd: and lost (-1,374 net)
      BTN showed :As: :8h: and won 2,865 (1,491 net)
  • 2 replies
    • VorpalF2F
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      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 11,754
      Let's look at alternates:
      :diamond:   Pre-flop flat call. In this case, villain likely bets (perhaps 3/4 pot?). Villain might x/r as well. Hero ???
      :diamond:   pre-flop shove. Here villain calls
      :diamond:   Pre-flop fold to CO initial bet. Yuck
      :diamond:   Pre-flop fold to 4-Bet. Hmmm....

      Do you have equilab?
      If not, it is a free download (near the bottom).
      Assuming CO steals widely, here is a shot at gauging your equity:

             Equity     Win     Tie
      CO     65.85%  63.22%   2.63% { 99+, A8s+, KTs+, QJs, ATo+, KQo }
      BU     34.15%  31.53%   2.63% { A8o }

      Doesn't look too promising.

      What if we really widen CO's range to 25% of all hands:

             Equity     Win     Tie
      CO     52.88%  49.31%   3.57% { 66+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
      BU     47.12%  43.56%   3.57% { A8o }

      Now its a coinflip.

      So maybe it's better to save that nice stack for a better spot especially this early. Down to <10 BB, go for it.

      As played, you spiked your A and got rivered.
      I Hate it when that happens!

      I'd love to hear what others have to say about this -- I'm not so familiar with the 180s

      Best of luck,
    • SDK1987
      Joined: 12.11.2008 Posts: 40,370
      If I don’t want to look in the spoiler this hand is unreadable, but it’s also good to know what kind of player we are dealing with. Normal I would fold on the 4bet shove with A8o on the BTN if you like to 3bet against him. I expect he will only 4bet shove with better aces and strong pairs.