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[NL2-NL10] Q9s turnplay,top pair..flush draw..inside straight draw

    • mjkirwan1980
      mjkirwan1980
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.05.2008 Posts: 50
      I]Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:[/I]

      $0.5/$1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $95.75
      BU:
      $105.40
      SB:
      $55.90
      BB(Hero):
      $23.00
      UTG1:
      $62.50
      UTG2:
      $184.95
      MP1:
      $21.00
      MP2:
      $39.45
      MP3:
      $75.80

      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, 9.
      UTG1 calls $1.00, 3 folds, MP3 calls $1.00, 3 folds, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($3.50) 3, J, Q (3 players)
      Hero checks, UTG1 checks, MP3 checks.

      Turn: ($3.50) 8 (3 players)
      Hero checks, UTG1 bets $2.50, MP3 calls $2.50, Hero raises to $22(All-In)

      , UTG1 calls $19.50, MP3 calls $19.50.

      River: ($69.50) Q (3 players)
      UTG1 bets $39.50(All-In)
      , MP3 folds.

      Final Pot: $109.00.

      UTG1 VPIP 40/PR 9
      MP3 VPIP 25/15

      So....the question is should I have led out on the river to figure out where I was? If not as played what should I have done at the point I went all in? Was this a horrible move? I know I am supposed to play draws passively if I don't raise preflop but I was wondering what might have been the best option here.
  • 5 replies
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Hey mjkirwan1980,

      you have a monsterdraw on the turn, but there's only 1 street left to come, so I would lean towards calling and evaluating river. On the Q as river card I would bet 2/3 PS/call river.

      Regards,
      burek2000
    • mjkirwan1980
      mjkirwan1980
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.05.2008 Posts: 50
      OK, so basically play passively until river and then re-evaluate based on river card.

      Turned out villain had 9sTs hitting his straight on the turn with openended straight flush draw X( so I only had my flush cards as outs.
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      After I made this evaluation I gave this hand a second thought, not because you posted results though. :)

      If you have more hands on the opponents then you could look up at their AF and if UTG is aggressive opponent and can raise FD/second pair on the turn, then I also like to shove, but if he's typical 40/9 player then he should be passive imo and thus it's better to call and evaluate river as I posted first.

      On the river against passive opponent bet/call would be overplay of the trips imo, so I would just bet/fold river if he's passive. Or if opponent is aggressive and you called turn anyway, I would prefer to c/c, because this way you catch his bluffs/medium strong hands and don't lose much money to strong made hands.

      ...I just thought I should write some more here, cause it's not so easy hand actually. :)

      Regards,
      burek2000
    • mjkirwan1980
      mjkirwan1980
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.05.2008 Posts: 50
      Hi burek,what AF factor would you class as passive?

      Mike :)
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Originally posted by mjkirwan1980
      Hi burek,what AF factor would you class as passive?

      Mike :)
      Anything below 1,5 is pretty passive. But note that AF needs big sample size to be accurate(1k+ hands for good accuracy). ...but when you meet a REAL calling station he will have 30-50 vpip/ 0-5 pfr and 0-0.5 AF, so you can see what kind of player is even after 30 hands.