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Prove to me poker isn't just luck ?

    • neznanec21
      neznanec21
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.12.2009 Posts: 34
      Originally posted by elhh82
      Assuming: Luck = 1, Skill = 1, Poker Profit = 2

      Luck + Skill = Poker Profit
      => 1 + 1 = 2

      #Proven that poker is not just luck, but a combination of skill and luck
      Note: We exclude the condition where someone gets doubly lucky, ie: luck + luck = 1 + 1 = 2.
      Liar. That's no proof, that's an assumption. You have to prove the existence of skill in poker first.
    • ihufa
      ihufa
      Silver
      Joined: 18.03.2008 Posts: 3,323
      I can easily prove that poker is luck and you can easily prove that it's skill...

      But one thing is for certain, if the best player in the world was unlucky enough he would lose all his money no matter what BRM he applied :)
    • OZSA
      OZSA
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.05.2009 Posts: 804
      knowing what the opponent has is skill, and getting good rivers also a skill as u see.ofc.poker is luck if everyone has same skill...

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $13.03
      SB (Hero):
      $21.10
      BB:
      $19.86
      UTG1:
      $11.38
      UTG2:
      $7.21
      MP1:
      $11.58
      MP2:
      $4.00
      MP3:
      $9.45
      CO:
      $6.36


      Preflop: Hero is SB with K, T.
      4 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BU folds, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks.

      Flop: ($0.4) Q, 3, J (4 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

      Turn: ($0.4) 9 (4 players)
      Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30, MP3 raises to $1.20, CO folds, Hero raises to $21.00, BB folds, MP3 calls $8.15(All-In).

      River: ($31.05) 9 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $31.05.
      Results follow:

      MP3 shows four of a kind, nines(9 9).
      Hero shows a straight, king high(K T).

      MP3 wins with four of a kind, nines(9 9).
    • ihufa
      ihufa
      Silver
      Joined: 18.03.2008 Posts: 3,323
      yea if you weren't superskilled you would've just flatcalled turn and river i guess
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      super skilled player would withdraw his money out of the pot on the river
    • taavi1337
      taavi1337
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.05.2009 Posts: 2,920
      Proof that poker != just luck.

      Let's assume that

      poker == just luck

      In this case, if an element is a member of poker, it must be a member of "just luck" at the same time. Always.

      x ∈ poker <=> x ∈ "just luck"

      To prove that this statement is false, we need to find one element that is a member of poker, but not a member of "just luck". For example, the background theme at Full Tilt tables is an element of poker, but not always an element of "just luck" (because one can change it if he wants to):

      x ∈ poker, x !∈ "just luck"

      Therefore:

      poker != just luck
    • neznanec21
      neznanec21
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.12.2009 Posts: 34
      Originally posted by taavi1337
      For example, the background theme at Full Tilt tables is an element of poker, but not always an element of "just luck" (because one can change it if he wants to)
      That actually made perfect sense, thanks.
    • ihufa
      ihufa
      Silver
      Joined: 18.03.2008 Posts: 3,323
      you're all drunk go sleep