# Prove to me poker isn't just luck ?

• Bronze
Joined: 10.12.2009
Originally posted by elhh82
Assuming: Luck = 1, Skill = 1, Poker Profit = 2

Luck + Skill = Poker Profit
=> 1 + 1 = 2

#Proven that poker is not just luck, but a combination of skill and luck
Note: We exclude the condition where someone gets doubly lucky, ie: luck + luck = 1 + 1 = 2.
Liar. That's no proof, that's an assumption. You have to prove the existence of skill in poker first.
• Silver
Joined: 18.03.2008
I can easily prove that poker is luck and you can easily prove that it's skill...

But one thing is for certain, if the best player in the world was unlucky enough he would lose all his money no matter what BRM he applied
• Bronze
Joined: 18.05.2009
knowing what the opponent has is skill, and getting good rivers also a skill as u see.ofc.poker is luck if everyone has same skill...

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

\$0.05/\$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

Known players:
BU:
\$13.03
SB (Hero):
\$21.10
BB:
\$19.86
UTG1:
\$11.38
UTG2:
\$7.21
MP1:
\$11.58
MP2:
\$4.00
MP3:
\$9.45
CO:
\$6.36

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, T.
4 folds, MP3 calls \$0.10, CO calls \$0.10, BU folds, Hero calls \$0.05, BB checks.

Flop: (\$0.4) Q, 3, J (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (\$0.4) 9 (4 players)
Hero bets \$0.30, BB calls \$0.30, MP3 raises to \$1.20, CO folds, Hero raises to \$21.00, BB folds, MP3 calls \$8.15(All-In).

River: (\$31.05) 9 (2 players)

Final Pot: \$31.05.
Results follow:

MP3 shows four of a kind, nines(9 9).
Hero shows a straight, king high(K T).

MP3 wins with four of a kind, nines(9 9).
• Silver
Joined: 18.03.2008
yea if you weren't superskilled you would've just flatcalled turn and river i guess
• Bronze
Joined: 25.10.2008
super skilled player would withdraw his money out of the pot on the river
• Bronze
Joined: 29.05.2009
Proof that poker != just luck.

Let's assume that

poker == just luck

In this case, if an element is a member of poker, it must be a member of "just luck" at the same time. Always.

x ∈ poker <=> x ∈ "just luck"

To prove that this statement is false, we need to find one element that is a member of poker, but not a member of "just luck". For example, the background theme at Full Tilt tables is an element of poker, but not always an element of "just luck" (because one can change it if he wants to):

x ∈ poker, x !∈ "just luck"

Therefore:

poker != just luck
• Bronze
Joined: 10.12.2009
Originally posted by taavi1337
For example, the background theme at Full Tilt tables is an element of poker, but not always an element of "just luck" (because one can change it if he wants to)
That actually made perfect sense, thanks.
• Silver
Joined: 18.03.2008
you're all drunk go sleep