This site uses cookies to improve your browsing experience. By continuing to browse the website, you accept such cookies. For more details and to change your settings, see our Cookie Policy and Privacy Policy. Close

[NL20-NL50] nl50 Rush - JJ

    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 8,028
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($62.45)
      BB ($24.20)
      Hero ($95.80)
      UTG+1 ($218)
      CO ($57.10)
      BTN ($16.75)

      Dealt to Hero J:heart: J:diamond:

      Hero raises to $1.75, fold, CO calls $1.75, fold, fold, fold

      FLOP ($4.25) 8:heart: 6:diamond: 8:diamond:

      Hero bets $3, CO calls $3

      TURN ($10.25) 8:heart: 6:diamond: 8:diamond: 7:club:

      Hero checks, CO bets $6, Hero calls $6

      RIVER ($22.25) 8:heart: 6:diamond: 8:diamond: 7:club: K:spade:

      Hero checks, CO bets $18, Hero calls $18

      villain 14/9/1 wts 50, 130 hands
      think i missplayed this. Would it be better to bet/fold turn and then check/fold river?

      Its hard to put villain on Kx, but the fact that he bets into me on turn+ K high river should tell me my hand is not good?

      River is always a fold vs this guy, right?
  • 5 replies
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      Meh, turn c/c is prob fine all he can call u on turn with that u beat is like 99/TT and then there's all the 8x+ type stuff that beats you, don't think there's much protection in betting turn as well since all he calls pf is prob something like suited connectors/low pockets and smth like AJ+ so you only protect against 1 or 2 overs and very rarely vs overs+fd, but that's extreme cases. So turn looks kinda like wa/wb to me.

      C/f'ing turn seems too weak w/o more reads.

      As for the river again, you only beat AJ/AQ, doubt that your avg nit will be vbetting river w worse. Doubt that even Kx would bet that strong. So yea, I'd fold.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      you can b/f turn, but I think c/c down is also fine
      It is hard to put tight player on trips or better every single time if you show weakness and he is betting turn and river, so I think calldown is fine. he can play that missed flushdraws and his river betting range is likely 8x+
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 8,028
      so I think calldown is fine. he can play that missed flushdraws and his river betting range is likely 8x+


      Kaitz, can you clarify? If villain's river betting range is 8x+ then all of that range beats us and we should fold - or did i misunderstand?
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      Think he meant value betting range, but come on, every suited connector is crushing this board so the only missed flush draw is AQdd since u have the Jd and then there's all the 89s/78s/66/77/88/9Ts vs that range the call is absurdly horrible and to expect some random nit in rush to float and double barrel random overs 100% of the time is quite optimistic, he shouldn't even have much overs since he's such a nit, k let's say he floats the flop w all AdJx and AdQx and then fires 100% two barrels

      Board: 8h 6d 8d 7c Ks
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 30.000% 30.00% 00.00% 6 0.00 { JdJh }
      Hand 1: 70.000% 70.00% 00.00% 14 0.00 { 88-66, AdQd, JdTd, T9s, 98s, 87s, AdQc, AdQh, AdQs, AdJc, AdJh, AdJs }
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
      Think he meant value betting range, but come on, every suited connector is crushing this board so the only missed flush draw is AQdd since u have the Jd and then there's all the 89s/78s/66/77/88/9Ts vs that range the call is absurdly horrible and to expect some random nit in rush to float and double barrel random overs 100% of the time is quite optimistic, he shouldn't even have much overs since he's such a nit, k let's say he floats the flop w all AdJx and AdQx and then fires 100% two barrels

      Board: 8h 6d 8d 7c Ks
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 30.000% 30.00% 00.00% 6 0.00 { JdJh }
      Hand 1: 70.000% 70.00% 00.00% 14 0.00 { 88-66, AdQd, JdTd, T9s, 98s, 87s, AdQc, AdQh, AdQs, AdJc, AdJh, AdJs }
      yeah meant valuebet range, but if you think he wot really turn his missed fd AQ/AJ into bluff or don´t see him having also smt like 99/TT that he´d bet river, then fold is very reasonable on the river.