[NL20-NL50] nl50 Rush - JJ

    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($62.45)
      BB ($24.20)
      Hero ($95.80)
      UTG+1 ($218)
      CO ($57.10)
      BTN ($16.75)

      Dealt to Hero J:heart: J:diamond:

      Hero raises to $1.75, fold, CO calls $1.75, fold, fold, fold

      FLOP ($4.25) 8:heart: 6:diamond: 8:diamond:

      Hero bets $3, CO calls $3

      TURN ($10.25) 8:heart: 6:diamond: 8:diamond: 7:club:

      Hero checks, CO bets $6, Hero calls $6

      RIVER ($22.25) 8:heart: 6:diamond: 8:diamond: 7:club: K:spade:

      Hero checks, CO bets $18, Hero calls $18

      villain 14/9/1 wts 50, 130 hands
      think i missplayed this. Would it be better to bet/fold turn and then check/fold river?

      Its hard to put villain on Kx, but the fact that he bets into me on turn+ K high river should tell me my hand is not good?

      River is always a fold vs this guy, right?
  • 5 replies
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      Meh, turn c/c is prob fine all he can call u on turn with that u beat is like 99/TT and then there's all the 8x+ type stuff that beats you, don't think there's much protection in betting turn as well since all he calls pf is prob something like suited connectors/low pockets and smth like AJ+ so you only protect against 1 or 2 overs and very rarely vs overs+fd, but that's extreme cases. So turn looks kinda like wa/wb to me.

      C/f'ing turn seems too weak w/o more reads.

      As for the river again, you only beat AJ/AQ, doubt that your avg nit will be vbetting river w worse. Doubt that even Kx would bet that strong. So yea, I'd fold.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      you can b/f turn, but I think c/c down is also fine
      It is hard to put tight player on trips or better every single time if you show weakness and he is betting turn and river, so I think calldown is fine. he can play that missed flushdraws and his river betting range is likely 8x+
    • Tim64
      Tim64
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      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      so I think calldown is fine. he can play that missed flushdraws and his river betting range is likely 8x+


      Kaitz, can you clarify? If villain's river betting range is 8x+ then all of that range beats us and we should fold - or did i misunderstand?
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
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      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      Think he meant value betting range, but come on, every suited connector is crushing this board so the only missed flush draw is AQdd since u have the Jd and then there's all the 89s/78s/66/77/88/9Ts vs that range the call is absurdly horrible and to expect some random nit in rush to float and double barrel random overs 100% of the time is quite optimistic, he shouldn't even have much overs since he's such a nit, k let's say he floats the flop w all AdJx and AdQx and then fires 100% two barrels

      Board: 8h 6d 8d 7c Ks
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 30.000% 30.00% 00.00% 6 0.00 { JdJh }
      Hand 1: 70.000% 70.00% 00.00% 14 0.00 { 88-66, AdQd, JdTd, T9s, 98s, 87s, AdQc, AdQh, AdQs, AdJc, AdJh, AdJs }
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
      Think he meant value betting range, but come on, every suited connector is crushing this board so the only missed flush draw is AQdd since u have the Jd and then there's all the 89s/78s/66/77/88/9Ts vs that range the call is absurdly horrible and to expect some random nit in rush to float and double barrel random overs 100% of the time is quite optimistic, he shouldn't even have much overs since he's such a nit, k let's say he floats the flop w all AdJx and AdQx and then fires 100% two barrels

      Board: 8h 6d 8d 7c Ks
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 30.000% 30.00% 00.00% 6 0.00 { JdJh }
      Hand 1: 70.000% 70.00% 00.00% 14 0.00 { 88-66, AdQd, JdTd, T9s, 98s, 87s, AdQc, AdQh, AdQs, AdJc, AdJh, AdJs }
      yeah meant valuebet range, but if you think he wot really turn his missed fd AQ/AJ into bluff or don´t see him having also smt like 99/TT that he´d bet river, then fold is very reasonable on the river.