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[NL2-NL10] NL10 : Set overprotected ?

    • SonicXT
      SonicXT
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2007 Posts: 4,736
      Known players: (for a description of vp$ip, pfr, ats, folded bb, af, wts, wsd or hands click here)
      SB:
      $20.82
      UTG+1:
      $10
      Hero:
      $11.35
      CO:
      $22.79
      UTG:
      $1.55
      BU:
      $14.10
      MP3:
      $9.95
      MP1:
      $2
      BB:
      $2
      MP2:
      $1.90

      0.05/0.10 No-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 4:diamond: , 4:club:
      UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.45, 7 folds.

      Flop: ($1.05) 4:heart: , A:club: , 9:heart: (2 players)
      UTG+1 bets $1, Hero raises to $4.00, UTG+1 folds.

      Final Pot: $6.05

      Did I defend the set a bit too much against a flush draw ?
  • 5 replies
    • Peter87
      Peter87
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.04.2006 Posts: 13,565
      no it´s okay. you made a potsize raise (=3 x betsize + pot).
      There is no real differenz, if you raise to 3,5$ or to 4$. He would fold in both cases.
    • SonicXT
      SonicXT
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2007 Posts: 4,736
      If so, then why the Call15 rule. The board is very often 2-suited and even if I get the 10 % luck to hit a set, I usually chase them out of the pot because of protection or because they just don't hit anything.
      I almost never get to win 10 times the price of the call preflop. I usually have to bluff them out to get anything.
    • Mugge88
      Mugge88
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.10.2006 Posts: 510
      I think call 15 is good enough to make it profitable. You hit your set about 1 in 8 times, and you double up once in a while too.. Don't mind scaring out villains once in a while.. having them outdraw you and stack you off is worse (or just getting stacked off anyway):


      Known players: (for a description of vp$ip, pfr, ats, folded bb, af, wts, wsd or hands click here)    
      Position:
      Stack
      MP2:
      $2,53
      BU:
      $6,89
      Hero:
      $4,88
      BB:
      $2,82

      0,02/0,04 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.8 by www.pokerstrategy.cc.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 4:club: , 4:diamond:
      2 folds, MP2 calls $0,04, MP3 folds, Hero calls $0,04, BU calls $0,04, SB folds, BB checks.

      Flop: ($0,18) A:spade: , 4:heart: , 9:heart: (4 players)
      BB checks, MP2 bets $0,18, Hero raises to $0,50, BU calls $0,50, BB folds, MP2 calls $0,32.

      Turn: ($1,68) 8:diamond: (3 players)
      MP2 checks, Hero bets $1,24, BU raises to $6,35 (All-In), MP2 folds, Hero raises to $4,34 (All-In).

      River: ($12,37) 8:heart:


      Final Pot: $12,37

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      BU shows [ 9c, 9d ] a full house, Nines full of Eights
      Hero shows [ 4c, 4d ] a full house, Fours full of Eights
      BU wins $2.01 USD with a full house, Nines full of Eights.
      BU wins $9.85 USD with a full house, Nines full of Eights.
    • SonicXT
      SonicXT
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2007 Posts: 4,736
      I think it's dangerous. I had blank sets due to oversets before as well.
      And while I wasn't outdrawn yet, by scaring drawers out, I stacked many people holding a set with a flush or straight myself.
    • mashmash
      mashmash
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.08.2007 Posts: 29
      I think in nl, you want people to call expensive draws. With that sort of raising no reasonable player will call you without a great hand or a hand that beats yours. The raise was fine, but sometimes you need to raise amounts that make draws unprofitable but are still callable by bad players.