# Odds

• Bronze
Joined: 07.05.2010
Why there is in article odds and pot odds, so confusing formula, if there is an easier way to calculate outs. For example : 8 outs, why should calculate 39:8 and than get mistical ratio 5:1 If there is an easier way, just outs raise with 4 on the flop to get % on the river. 8 x 4 = 32 % and than if dont get the outs un the turn, than 8 x 2 = 16 %
I think its more simple for new players and even for advanced players than this ratio or maybe not.
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• Bronze
Joined: 07.05.2010
and I dont get it about the pot odds, I'm using magic holdem and for example : if pre-flop pot size is 300 \$ and on the flop no one bets or I'm the first to act, how the magic holdem already shows me pot odds. for example 1:8, how he calculates if I dont need to call some bet, if there is no bet.
Joined: 19.04.2006
It is very simple: Poker is not always a game where you have a big edge. Maybe once in a while 0.3% make the difference between a good call and a fold. You want to use and calculate every tiny edge, so you should know about how to calculate odds in theory.
Of course - at the table you can most often use the outsx4 or outsx2-version to calculate your winning probability for two or one street.
By the way: if you got an open ended straight flush draw with K Q on a board of J T 7 7 against 2 2 you will have 25 outs against your opponent. The formula gives you 50%, but in fact you have 56.8% -that is not a marginal difference!

For programs that show you pot odds: be careful, some poker rooms don't allow you to use those programs. If pot odds are shown then it might be that it assumes that you bring a single bet of one big blind. Otherwise you should consult the handbook of your program or disregard the message.
hope that helps
• Bronze
Joined: 07.05.2010
but in fact how to calculate if bets was only pre flop. and on the flop there is no bets. how than Its calculating. please explane me the formula