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[NL20-NL50] [SH] 3 way flop set facing Turn donk bet

    • Dublimax
      Joined: 22.11.2008 Posts: 2,233
      iPoker - €0.50 NL - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BB: €33.60
      Hero (UTG): €50.00
      MP: €64.44
      CO: €44.93 VP:48/PR:8
      BTN: €71.99
      SB: €59.81 VP:26//PR:21/AFq:43

      SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

      Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has 6:diamond: 6:spade:

      Hero raises to €1.75, fold, CO calls €1.75, fold, SB calls €1.50, fold

      Flop: (€5.75, 3 players) 3:heart: J:club: 6:heart:
      SB checks, Hero bets €4.00, CO calls €4.00, SB calls €4.00

      Turn: (€17.75, 3 players) 7:spade:
      SB bets €13.00, Hero raises to €44.25, fold, SB calls €31.25

      River: (€106.25, 2 players) 2:spade:

      Ok I think I didn't consider enough SB 's range.
      He looks like an ok player and he donks on the turn quite big. He has:
      1) JJ and could eventually C/C the flop (still unlikely since he flat pre where he could squeeze to isolate fish)
      2) The turn improved his hands so he wants to protect: 77 or 45.

      I think that's it really if I think about it.

      So Turn Fold? My shove is really stupid ther.
  • 4 replies
    • AninIII
      Joined: 13.07.2008 Posts: 944

      imo you can't consider to fold turn to his donk.
      Although I must admit, that it's pretty strong into 2 players.
      I doubt that a ok-ish player peels 77 multiway on flop oop.
      => I looks a lot like 54 and only sometimes JJ, but he can do this with 33, AJs, 87s, A7s....
      So shove is quite standard.

      What did villain have?

      Best regards,
    • Hugenotte0
      Joined: 30.05.2007 Posts: 60

      I think that a fold is way too weak with the 4th nuts when the three better hands are relatively unlikely:

      JJ: possible, your raise was from utg so he could just call, even the fish is in the hand. But he also could have donked it on the flop.

      77: As Anin said, he should fold that on the flop 3way oop.

      54s: Im not sure if many regs defend that oop, even if thats possible in some situations (he has 26 VPIP).

      But with the pot already being 17$ and enough other hands (76, heart draw+pair) possible there's no alternative raising all in on the turn for me. And against 54 you still have some outs.

      Your words let me assume that he had beat you?

    • Dublimax
      Joined: 22.11.2008 Posts: 2,233
      Hey guys,

      I really doubt he would donk that turn with AJs, 87s, A7s where I have shown strength. 76 indeed but I have 66 so quite unlikely. HE could do this with 33 I suppose.
      By raising don't I isolate myself vs JJ or 45? In this case wouldn't it be better to call and call again on the river non heart card?

      PS: He had 45s
    • Kaitz20
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Well 45s is basically only hand that you´re loosing there, since I´d expect him to c/r flop with 33/JJ and he would very likely fold 77 to your flop c-bet.
      Just it is hard to put him exactly hands that beat you, since if he is calling pf and c/c flop with 45s, he can also do that with 67s or take some strange line with AJ. Since your hand at that spot is too strong and if you´re behind you likely have outs, I´d also shove