[NL20-NL50] [SH] 3 way flop set facing Turn donk bet

    • Dublimax
      Dublimax
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.11.2008 Posts: 2,233
      iPoker - €0.50 NL - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BB: €33.60
      Hero (UTG): €50.00
      MP: €64.44
      CO: €44.93 VP:48/PR:8
      BTN: €71.99
      SB: €59.81 VP:26//PR:21/AFq:43

      SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

      Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has 6:diamond: 6:spade:

      Hero raises to €1.75, fold, CO calls €1.75, fold, SB calls €1.50, fold

      Flop: (€5.75, 3 players) 3:heart: J:club: 6:heart:
      SB checks, Hero bets €4.00, CO calls €4.00, SB calls €4.00

      Turn: (€17.75, 3 players) 7:spade:
      SB bets €13.00, Hero raises to €44.25, fold, SB calls €31.25

      River: (€106.25, 2 players) 2:spade:

      Ok I think I didn't consider enough SB 's range.
      He looks like an ok player and he donks on the turn quite big. He has:
      1) JJ and could eventually C/C the flop (still unlikely since he flat pre where he could squeeze to isolate fish)
      2) The turn improved his hands so he wants to protect: 77 or 45.

      I think that's it really if I think about it.

      So Turn Fold? My shove is really stupid ther.
  • 4 replies
    • AninIII
      AninIII
      Bronze
      Joined: 13.07.2008 Posts: 944
      Hi,

      imo you can't consider to fold turn to his donk.
      Although I must admit, that it's pretty strong into 2 players.
      I doubt that a ok-ish player peels 77 multiway on flop oop.
      => I looks a lot like 54 and only sometimes JJ, but he can do this with 33, AJs, 87s, A7s....
      So shove is quite standard.

      nh!
      What did villain have?

      Best regards,
      Anin
    • Hugenotte0
      Hugenotte0
      Black
      Joined: 30.05.2007 Posts: 60
      #2

      I think that a fold is way too weak with the 4th nuts when the three better hands are relatively unlikely:

      JJ: possible, your raise was from utg so he could just call, even the fish is in the hand. But he also could have donked it on the flop.

      77: As Anin said, he should fold that on the flop 3way oop.

      54s: Im not sure if many regs defend that oop, even if thats possible in some situations (he has 26 VPIP).

      But with the pot already being 17$ and enough other hands (76, heart draw+pair) possible there's no alternative raising all in on the turn for me. And against 54 you still have some outs.

      Your words let me assume that he had beat you?

      Regards
      Hugenotte
    • Dublimax
      Dublimax
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.11.2008 Posts: 2,233
      Hey guys,

      I really doubt he would donk that turn with AJs, 87s, A7s where I have shown strength. 76 indeed but I have 66 so quite unlikely. HE could do this with 33 I suppose.
      By raising don't I isolate myself vs JJ or 45? In this case wouldn't it be better to call and call again on the river non heart card?

      PS: He had 45s
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Well 45s is basically only hand that you´re loosing there, since I´d expect him to c/r flop with 33/JJ and he would very likely fold 77 to your flop c-bet.
      Just it is hard to put him exactly hands that beat you, since if he is calling pf and c/c flop with 45s, he can also do that with 67s or take some strange line with AJ. Since your hand at that spot is too strong and if you´re behind you likely have outs, I´d also shove