I have to call=call?

    • pawel489
      pawel489
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      Joined: 01.12.2008 Posts: 75
      I was today in casino in uk. I was on late position and i made raise sb call bb allin, i was thinkin about call and i told i "have to call", after that i folded cards but diler told then i must call, im little confused because i think "i call" is not the some Like "i have to call", is some kid of lookin reads like when im askin "what do u have?" I think "i must fold" is not the same like "im fold", "i should call" is not call. What do u think? But im not sure. Im thinkin diler made mestake. He was askin pokerroom superwisor and he gave him right
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    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
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      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      Im not sure i think your right tho. But each casino may have its own rules so i dont know.
    • EagleStar88
      EagleStar88
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      Joined: 06.10.2008 Posts: 7,359
      Hi pawel489,

      I'm no expert, but generally a verbal declaration is binding and if you state "I have to call" you are committing yourself to that call.

      My Moderator colleague justkyle is the man to ask however as he's also a tournament director for a poker firm (handy guy to know ;) ).

      I'll ask him to pop by with his more judged & experienced opinion. We've also got a lot of members that play live tournaments around the world too, so they will no doubt also post a reply soon :)

      Best regards,


      Bart
    • pawel489
      pawel489
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      Joined: 01.12.2008 Posts: 75
      Im thinkin i have to call is not declaration, but just described situation in which i was, for example when i will say i have to go to gim is not meant i will go to gim, english is not my national language and some sentens meant not acciliy the same like in my language, ok just ask judge and every think will be clear
    • pogodon
      pogodon
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      Joined: 23.07.2010 Posts: 1,210
      so what if he said im not getting the right odds TO CALL <<<<< its stupid like its the 21st century its either yes i call or no thy shouldnt make him call fo that
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 7,596
      Hey pawel489,

      **cracks fingers and neck**

      I 100% understand your frustration with this ruling because everyone knows what you mean but you still verbally announced an action so it stands.

      Regards,

      Kyle.
    • i5bet72o
      i5bet72o
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      Ya its a stupid rule (imo) but kyle is 100% right.
    • wasy8
      wasy8
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      Joined: 29.01.2009 Posts: 1,507
      I agree that "I have to call" counts as a verbal declaration and it should stand, sucks tho.

      Out of curiousity, how does the ruling change if OP said "I probably have to call" instead?
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 7,596
      Then it starts to enter the grey area whether to make the verbal stand. For example, if the guy getting called arguments it to the dealer and the dealer is a jerk.
      Pretty much just get into the habit of not saying any action phrases in your little speeches.
      Will save you a lot of trouble.