[NL2-NL10] KK vs. A on flop.

    • w3ewe3
      w3ewe3
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      0.02/0.04 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K:heart: , K:club:
      UTG+2 raises to $0.08, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $0.24, 5 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.16.

      Flop: ($0.54) Q:club: , 7:heart: , A:heart: (2 players)
      UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $0.70, UTG+2 raises to $1.32 (All-In), Hero calls $0.62.

      Turn: ($3.18) 9:heart:
      River: ($3.18) 6:diamond:


      Final Pot: $3.18



      0.02/0.04 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K:diamond: , K:spade:
      2 folds, MP1 calls $0.04, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $0.24, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20, MP1 folds.

      Flop: ($0.54) A:spade: , T:diamond: , 3:spade: (2 players)
      BB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20.

      Turn: ($0.94) J:diamond: (2 players)
      BB bets $1.81 (All-In), Hero folds.

      Final Pot: $2.75


      i can't possibly call either of these two hands could i?
  • 7 replies
    • aanty2000
      aanty2000
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      Joined: 22.10.2007 Posts: 484
      in the 2nd one bb might be on a draw or maybe jj . i wouldnt call
    • Puschkin81
      Puschkin81
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      Hi w3ewe3!

      Hand 1: I would only bet $0.40 on the flop and fold to a raise. Every ace and even queens beat you and it is not unlikely that he has one of these hands considering the preflop action.

      Hand 2: I would simply fold here. He might be on a draw but you don't know that. To find that out you would have to pay a lot of money. Just fold and wait for a better spot.

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • Floating
      Floating
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      Joined: 15.07.2007 Posts: 132
      hi puschkin,

      2) fold on flop or fold on turn?
    • Peter87
      Peter87
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      fold flop against his small stack. calling is quite bad, because it is easy to move you away from your hand. You would raise every strong hand on the flop.
    • Blinzler
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      1) i like to cb on the flop, we cant protect and we wont get called by worse hands. on the turn i will be weak and fold to a decent bet, call a small one

      2) i like that one, i have seen to many people donk the flop weak with many hands and think we are good here often enough. he will often check turn and river imo to make this +ev. I would call small turn/riverbets as well and fold to big ones.
    • w3ewe3
      w3ewe3
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      the first i pretty much KNEW i was beat, but i just couldn't lay it down...i think i remember he had a weak A, like A 7 or something....:( ...the second i figured since it wasnt a HUGE bet i'd call the flop and c if i can get lucky on the turn, which i didn't so i threw it away....these 2 hands happened within about 10 hands :(
    • Peter87
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      hmmm

      2) i like that one, i have seen to many people donk the flop weak with many hands and think we are good here often enough. he will often check turn and river imo to make this +ev. I would call small turn/riverbets as well and fold to big ones.


      i can´t agree.
      If you call the flop, you should be consequent and call the turn push. The opponent would virtual never check the turn. Your flop call induces a (bluff) bet with every hand on the turn.