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[NL20-NL50] nl50 Rush - 87s call 3b oop

    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 8,028
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($18)
      BB ($90.40)
      UTG ($149)
      Hero ($159)
      CO ($119)
      BTN ($53.75)

      Dealt to Hero 8:heart: 7:heart:

      fold, Hero raises to $1.75, fold, BTN raises to $5.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $3.75

      FLOP ($11.75) 4:club: Q:spade: 2:spade:

      Hero checks, BTN bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

      TURN ($24.75) 4:club: Q:spade: 2:spade: 8:spade:

      Hero checks, BTN bets $12.50, Hero raises to $25, BTN folds

      Hero shows 8:heart: 7:heart:

      Hero wins $47.30

      villain reg 24/18/4 wtsd 32, 313 hands. 3b 9%; 3b from BU 19% (26).
      Against villain who likes to 3b alot from BU we can either 4b (bluff/or value) or call oop and play postflop.

      Calling with sc seems like a disaster but just wondering if we can actually rep a stronger range doing this?

      In the hand, turn raise is high variance I guess, but if villains range is as weak as 19% he is going to have to fold a huge amount? Villain needs to fold only 40%. I assume he cb 100% 3b pot and barrels this scary turn pretty often too.
  • 5 replies
    • falcone1983
      falcone1983
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.05.2009 Posts: 5,420
      This is never going to be profitable. You call a 3bet OOP with a speculative hand, and then float the flop with no equity at all.

      You don't rep a strong range here (unless you also flat all your premiums preflop, but that brings a host of other problems), you rep a capped range and that's very dangerous OOP against a smart opponent.
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 8,028
      K, point taken. Felt thin. :) Im not sure this is a strong opponent, since his BU 3b is so wildly out of proportion, but even against an average opponent I guess we will struggle.

      Just 4b/fold 4b/call, depending on our hand?
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      for 100bb I think you can´t play there 87s profitable oop. For that I think you need to c/r a lot of boards or lead out your hand a lot of boards or stack off f you hit some kind of pair or draw.
      about your play postflop. really surprised he folded. i think turn is quite standard barreling card, but very likely he has then also high cards with flushdraws so I´d expect him at least call your turn c/r if not shove himself.
      Don´t like your turn c/r. If you think he is barreling then just c/c another blank river card and I guess you have to call shove now with pair, since he can shove there oevrcards+fd on the turn
    • falcone1983
      falcone1983
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.05.2009 Posts: 5,420
      Originally posted by Tim64
      Just 4b/fold 4b/call, depending on our hand?
      Or, you know, just fold ;) .

      Just 4bet/call JJ+/AK/AQs for value & bluff some of your Axs.

      That should be more than enough adaptation against his 3bets.
    • N0pr3s3n7
      N0pr3s3n7
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.05.2009 Posts: 1,296
      The situation you felt in I like the way you played.Since you called his 3bet you need to take some part in the action :D ( i agree folding is best because we don't have position, IP i'd probably call such a hand against certain opponents and bluff 4bet others.Also flat KK/AA).I like raising the turn since he is betting small and most of the time I think on turn he isn't beting a set especially this small.I see most of his range check/calling this turn and all his "bluff" that hasn't hit range barreling this card so I like it.Just raise it a bit bigger so he can't call AsX or maybe even KsX.