Buying hand history

    • Dublimax
      Dublimax
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      Joined: 22.11.2008 Posts: 2,233
      Hi all Pokerstars players,

      I am not playing at Pokerstars but am thinking about it.
      Can anyone tell me if buying hand history is legal on Pokerstars? I think I read it somewhere that it was not legal but I can't find this info anymore.

      Thanks
  • 9 replies
    • Ribbo
      Ribbo
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      Joined: 25.06.2010 Posts: 6,157
      I'm pretty sure they don't allow it, I know Full Tilt poker don't. If you were to email support@pokerstars.com i'm sure you will get a fast reply. :f_grin:
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 7,596
      Hey Dublimax,

      Don't bother contacting them ;)

      Here's your info:
      No PokerStars,Full Tilt or Microgaming Hand Histories (updated 28/02/10)

      Regards,

      Kyle.
    • Dublimax
      Dublimax
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      Joined: 22.11.2008 Posts: 2,233
      Hi Kyle,

      I did contact them - waiting for their answer.

      Just one thing though. Is datamining the same than buying hand history?

      I guess Pokerstars and the other sites are selling these HH to the sites that are selling them to ppl. So wouldn't it be a bit weird if then they don't allow ppl to buy these HH?
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 7,596
      Hey Dublimax,

      datamining and buying HH go hand in hand. It's still the same principle of getting excessive amounts of hands on your opponents without getting them yourself.

      I can't find the area on their site atm but I'll keep looking.

      Regards,

      Kyle.
    • Dublimax
      Dublimax
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      Joined: 22.11.2008 Posts: 2,233
      FYI, here is the answer from Pokerstars

      Thank you for contacting PokerStars.

      We can confirm the purchase of bulk hand histories is prohibited.

      To quote from our Terms of Service:

      5.5. EXTERNAL PLAYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS (EPA). PokerStars prohibits those
      External Player Assistance Programs ("EPA Programs") which are designed to
      provide an "Unfair Advantage" to players. PokerStars defines "External" to
      mean computer software (other than the Software), and non- software-based
      databases or profiles (e.g. web sites and subscription services). PokerStars
      defines an "Unfair Advantage" as any instance in which a User accesses or
      compiles information on other players beyond that which the User has
      personally observed through the User's own game play. We encourage you to
      read our Prohibited Online Software FAQ.

      You can read our Terms of Service in full at:

      http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/tos/

      As a general principle, if you are accessing or compiling information on
      other players outside your own game play, it is a breach of our Terms of
      Service. That said, we apply a common sense interpretation of this: chatting
      about or sharing a single hand (or handful of hands) is not something that
      we will take action against.

      PokerStars is aware that there are people who try to break our rules on
      datamining, and consequently, I'm pleased to advise that we are in the
      process of improving our software to stop this activity.

      While, from an outsider's point of view, it may appear to be a simple
      software tweak, there are a variety of internal systems that are intertwined
      that need to be adjusted. Our hand histories are obviously a core component
      of our services, and we need to be very careful that any changes that we
      make do not have unintended consequences that hurt other players.

      Despite the challenges, we are making very real progress on this project,
      and I envisage that you will be pleased with the improvements in the near
      future.

      Please let us know if you have any additional concerns or questions, and
      thank you for choosing PokerStars.


      Regards,

      Jackson
      PokerStars Game Security
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
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      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      What i don't understand is why http://www.pokertableratings.com is selling HH. I mean if its illegal to sell them why doesn't pokerstars takes action against them?

      I also don't understand how they can get HH in the first place since datamining is illegal. Pokerstars obviously has to give them HH to keep track on your winnings there.
    • thazar
      thazar
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      Joined: 14.09.2009 Posts: 6,560
      not sure how illegal is it to sell, It is illegal to use it :D
    • JHTAN
      JHTAN
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      Joined: 10.07.2010 Posts: 1,331
      I think PokerStrategy should advise the PokerStars and other poker rooms to take legal action againts the sites which sell hand history.
      I waiting for PokerStrategy reply on this issue. Thanks
    • EagleStar88
      EagleStar88
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      Joined: 06.10.2008 Posts: 7,359
      This is a matter for PokerStars & other poker rooms, not PokerStrategy. It is up to the rooms to decide what they tolerate and how they deal with those breaking the rules.

      We would strongly recommend that you do not trade/purchase/datamine or any other related activity on PokerStars or Full Tilt as they have both outlawed these practices (in answer to the OP). Other platforms may take similar action in future.

      Best regards,


      Bart