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[NL20-NL50] nl50 Rush - 57s ip - 2 pair on flop

    • Tim64
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 8,028
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($80.75)
      BB ($143)
      UTG ($54.65)
      UTG+1 ($48.25)
      CO ($222)
      Hero ($126)

      Dealt to Hero 5:heart: 7:heart:

      UTG calls $0.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.50, SB raises to $3, fold, UTG calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

      FLOP ($9.50) 6:club: 7:diamond: 5:spade:

      SB bets $5.50, UTG raises to $11, Hero raises to $24, SB folds, UTG calls $13

      TURN ($63) 6:club: 7:diamond: 5:spade: 2:club:

      UTG checks, Hero checks

      RIVER ($63) 6:club: 7:diamond: 5:spade: 2:club: 8:club:

      UTG checks, Hero checks

      villain is somewhat fishy 22/10/2, wts 41, 177hs. Pre is a bit loose but utg bad and SB is deep.
      Are we overplaying top two pair? I though utg capable of limp/calling overpairs here.
      After villain calls our 3b, whats best on turn? Shove or try to get to showdown?

  • 4 replies
    • N0pr3s3n7
      Joined: 14.05.2009 Posts: 1,296
      After you 4bet this flop I don't see why aren't you ever shipping any turn card(despite obviously 6/8/4) Such a fishy opponent can have super wide range there but most of the time after he minraises versus 2 I think we can define it as: 88/67/78/89/34/55/66/77/56/99/68.

      A quick run of equity calc give us against this range ~37% eq.So in such a situation I like more maybe cold calling UTG minraise or if you want to isolate SB it's fine to 4bet him right there.But i'm definitely shipping turns since this high %WSTD player can have some more draws there and I think he is shipping the flop if he had set/2pairs.So he is either having a made straight or pair+OESD/gutshot/overpair(88-99).But adding the fact that hands you are ahead of like combodraws are soooooooo much less combos in general against made hands which are ahead(only to mention 89o/s + 34o/s are 32 combos)

      BLQH BLQH too much talking I even lost my thought process.I hope I helped with his range and I think it's pretty much only this.I think this hand lies more in easy equity calculations against his range because he is definitely playing the entire range like this and you can't say he is having the nuts like 89/34 or maybe even 44 that doesn't want to call flop and turn bet unimproved but tries some move to have a free turn card.
    • ttjjboy
      Joined: 31.05.2009 Posts: 4,205
      check turn?
    • Kaitz20
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      if you raise flop you´re not really getting away your hand so I like shoving turn. Also you would likely keep UTG range wider if you just call his min-raise and decide on the turn if you want to shove or fold your hand
    • Tim64
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 8,028
      y, ch/behind turn is super bad it seems.
      I was happy to go broke on flop but when villain just called I somehow put him on a set which he slowplayed to make me go broke light.

      But he just had worse twopair so I lost value since I think he never ch/folds turn.