Please HELP!!! Where's the main leaks in my game?

    • rarama
      rarama
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      Joined: 23.10.2010 Posts: 15
      I'm used to playing live at the casino at $1-2 and $3-6 but because of lack of funds can't really play as often in the casino anymore. And we all know it's bad to play poker with scared money. So I decided to conquer online poker thinking if I can beat the live game I can surely beat these micro-limits (NL25) online and become Bill Gates Rich, right? *WRONG* (I won't even be able to make min. wage in a 3rd World Country at the rate I'm going).

      I fully understand the game is a lot different at the micro-limits and have adjusted pretty much as textbook as this site says with regards to the starting hand charts etc. But why do I keep losing at the micro-limits? I'll have a few (like 1 or 2) winning sessions than a bunch (like 3,4,5... shoot I ran out of fingers) of losing sessions *repeat*.

      Here's my stats from The Elephant Software. These are for Full Ring, 18,586 hands mostly NL25, there's some NL10 in here also (since I don't want to deposit anymore money on PartyPoker so I have to start playing NL10 to get it back up). I play on PokerStars, PartyPoker, and TitanPoker

      VP$IP 13.6%
      Raise Preflop 10.7%
      Open-raise late position 38.6
      Aggression factor 3.6
      Aggression factor Flop 5.1 Turn 4.9 River 2.4
      WtSDwsF 20.3
      W$wsF 36,1
      W$@SD 50.4
      BB/100 -3.9
      Continuationbet flop 59% turn 43% river 57%
      Fold to continuation bet flop 47% turn 29% river 50%
      Call to continuation bet flop 47% turn 57% river 42%
      Fold flop 35% turn 27% river 19%
      Fold BB to steal 76% fold SB to steal 79%

      I've been staring at this post for over 30 mins trying to see where I think my main leak is and I'm thinking WtSDwsF is too high since in the Elephant Software this is considered "normal". I'm thinking it should be under 19 since the software considers that "seldom".

      I'm also thinking I've been defending my blinds too loosely. I always re-raise steals or fold since I'll be out of position post-flop. So I could be leaking money there.

      I know there's a lot more stats I can put on here, but I would think these are the most important ones. If there's any others that I should add here please let me know.

      I think it would also be great if someone here that regularly beats the micro-limits can post their stats so we can compare and find out where our leaks are.

      I look forward to any help I can get with my stats!
  • 6 replies
    • Bierbaer
      Bierbaer
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      Joined: 27.05.2005 Posts: 7,989
      Hi rarama,

      I'm not really an expert for FR games, but the combination of the high aggression factor and the low Won$WhenSawFlop look like you're being aggressive against the wrong opponents (which would be most opponents on the microstakes :D ).

      On NL200 I have about the same AF like you, but the W$WSF is over 45%.
      So I think you should just lean back and give up when you don't hit anything more often.

      However, looking at the stats it's very hard to make statements about things like this.

      My best advice for you would be to start posting hands in the sample hands forums.

      Also there are a lot of coachings you could check out. You can watch the coaches play and discuss hands with them, maybe there are some spots you would've played differently - in this case one of you might be wrong (not necessarily though, there are a lot of situations you can approach in different ways).

      Hope this helps.

      Best regards,
      Phil
    • zamoda
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      NL25 is miles ahead of live 1-2 and its not that micro
    • pzhon
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      I agree with zamoda that online NL $25 is much tougher than many live games with a $2 big blind. The lowest stakes NL game around is always soft. Online games at lower stakes have many more serious players.

      Your continuation bet percentage of 59% seems low. You don't want to make continuation bets 100% of the time, since sometimes you have gotten multiple callers and the flop is terrible for you. However, I would bet that you are missing many profitable continuation bets.

      It looks like you are defending the blinds, particularly the small blind, more than is typical for a serious player. You aren't getting much of a discount from the small blind, you are out of position, and you are not closing the action. I think you are over-defending, and that you are probably losing money with the weakest hands with which you defend the blinds.

      Try breaking down your win rate by position. You should be recovering more than half of the blinds you post, and perhaps more than 65%. Also look at hands where someone raised on your blind, and you did not have a top 15% hand. Would you have done better to fold preflop?

      Your aggression factor is high, perhaps too high. A very high aggression factor can be a sign that you are missing profitable calls.
    • rarama
      rarama
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      Joined: 23.10.2010 Posts: 15
      Thanks for the input I made some big changes in my game and I went from -3 BB/100 (before I posted this thread) to now at +9BB/100 (after I posted this thread)!!!

      But Pzhon, I didn't fully understand what you meant by the following.

      "
      You should be recovering more than half of the blinds you post, and perhaps more than 65%. Also look at hands where someone raised on your blind, and you did not have a top 15% hand.
      "

      Mainly the first sentence. Actually I don't understand any of the first sentence haha, can you explain?

      The second sentence does that apply for the SB also or just the BB? Since reading your post I've been re-raising steals from the BB at the top 15% hand range and from the SB at the top 7.5% hand range. I tighten up more in SB since it seems that's the right thing to do. I'm not positive though.
    • Dublimax
      Dublimax
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      Originally posted by rarama

      But Pzhon, I didn't fully understand what you meant by the following.

      "
      You should be recovering more than half of the blinds you post, and perhaps more than 65%. Also look at hands where someone raised on your blind, and you did not have a top 15% hand.
      "

      Mainly the first sentence. Actually I don't understand any of the first sentence haha, can you explain?

      For each SB and BB positions, compare how much you would have spent (by posting the blinds) if you had folded 100% of your hands with your actual results.
      You should be recovering more than 65% from what Pzhon said i.e your actual losses in SB and BB should be less than 35% of what you would have spent if you had folded 100% of your hands.

      Hope it makes sense
    • rarama
      rarama
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      Joined: 23.10.2010 Posts: 15
      Thanks Dublimax!