[NL2-NL10] NL25 SSS FR, KK vs Chinese nit

    • AlCaTrAzzALZ
      AlCaTrAzzALZ
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      hey guys, need a line check on the following hand:



      $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
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      9 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Villain 10/3, fold2Steal 100%, 3bet 0% (368 hands)

      Stacks:
      UTG ($5.18)
      UTG+1 ($4.75)
      Hero ($7.56)
      MP2 ($4.90)
      MP3 ($10.28)
      CO ($5)
      BTN ($5)
      SB ($9.75)
      BB ($5)

      Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 9 players) Hero is MP1 K:spade: K:diamond:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BTN goes all-in $5, 2 folds, $4 to Hero ($6.56)?



      Villain has weird stats for a chinese shortstacker, i have no reads other than stats on him (which usually means he's a shover, cos if i had played anything significant with him post flop i'd have notes)

      basically, he never 3bets, his PFR is really nitty, he almost never steals and always folds to steals... but limps 10%? so maybe limps PP and big Ax...

      the problem i had here, is when we hold KK, and give him a range of KK+, AK... there are so few combo's of AK cos we hold 2 of the kings... so doesn't this weight him more towards AA? could he ever show up with QQ here? or given his stats, would he flat QQ IP?
  • 6 replies
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Against chinese shortstackers I jam KK+,AK without hesitation from any position. If you raise from MP1, QQ should also be in your calling range

      I guess he is not ''that'' chinese but it can't hurt to give me his SN so I can look it up at PTR for you :)

      - Gerv
    • AlCaTrAzzALZ
      AlCaTrAzzALZ
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      villain is changsheng, my sample might be inacuarate due to small size, looking at his PTR he looks like standard rakeback pro, altho i dont have PTR pro so i cant see stats...

      and QQ here seems spewy imo... it's one of the few spots i can see us folding QQ for 20bb
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Maw he 3bets 3-4% but in case of worst case scenario:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 47.885% 44.90% 03.47% 1553500 120116.50 { QQ+, AKs }
      Hand 1: 52.114% 49.17% 03.47% 1701429 120125.50 { KK }
      No need to do a EV calculation since you are slightly ahead and have $1 already in the pot :)

      With QQ, I assume this guy doesnt see the equity difference between AKs, AKo so I just take allt he combo's

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 59.782% 57.94% 01.86% 2472517 79305.50 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
      Hand 1: 40.218% 38.38% 01.86% 1637511 79308.00 { QQ }
      You need to call $4 to win $6 hence you need 1.5:1 = 40% so you are 2%% ahead
      Folding is EV of -1$ theoratically so I would shove QQ as well even though it is looking ''break-even'' but unless you have an aggro BRM, one cannot fold QQ here



      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • JHTAN
      JHTAN
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      Are chinese shortstackers very great? What is the different between chinese players and others? :s_biggrin:
    • MeanGreen
      MeanGreen
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      This guy looks like he's played non stop with 24 tables for months, but it's not a profitable way of playing as it is. This guy relies on rakeback to make it worthwhile.

      Maybe it's worth it by chinese standards?
    • AlCaTrAzzALZ
      AlCaTrAzzALZ
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      Originally posted by JHTAN
      Are chinese shortstackers very great? What is the different between chinese players and others? :s_biggrin:
      generally speaking, they play a very exploitable strategy, play way too tight, and shove instead of open raising in alot of spots.

      the reason i pointed out that he was a chinese shortstacker is his range is super polarised here towards KK+,AK