Under raise rule

    • muel294
      Joined: 06.06.2009 Posts: 1,218
      Can someone clarify this for me? I was dealing for our table in a local pub poker MTT SNG and the following situation came up.

      Blinds 500/1000

      SB(~20K) posts 500
      BB(~40K) posts 1000
      UTG (4600) calls 1000 (now 3600 behind)
      MP folds
      HJ (20-30K) raises to 3000 -----> so this is a raise by 2000
      CO folds
      Me BU folds
      SB folds
      BB calls 2000
      UTG moves all-in for 4600-----> 4600 - 3000 = 1600 right? so its 1600 more to call.

      HJ attempts to move all-in ----> as I was dealing and controlling the action I said that this was an under raise and that he could not raise further since the UTG player had not made it at least 2000 more to go. At least two other more experienced players agreed with my decision one of which was involved in the hand.

      The HJ was obviously not pleased about this but eventually agreed after I explained that you wouldn't allow someone to make a raise of 2001 chips in this spot if he had chips behind, would you? As mad as it sounds you have to draw the line somewhere about what is the minimum raise.

      What do you guys n gals think? Am I right, would you enforce it or am I just being a bit of a see you next tuesday?


  • 4 replies
    • DannyG13
      Joined: 28.10.2009 Posts: 1,153
      You're right imo, that's the rule.

      If you're going to play the game, for money especially, you gotta follow the rules. No point playing otherwise.
    • OZSA
      Joined: 18.05.2009 Posts: 804
      where i was dealing the rule was (if my memory is good) if the shove is less then 50% of the raise you cant do anything else just call u cant reshove that, but in ur case the shove was just 100chips more then 50% of the 3k, so he could shove there or raise the minimum 4600x2=9200. i dont know exactly if this is house rule or not, but i think its this...best thing is if you deal at a place talk to the casino/club manager to establish a rule for this (like this 50% rule or whatever u wish) so you have no problems with the players, u just tell them this and they cant argue afterwards.
    • muel294
      Joined: 06.06.2009 Posts: 1,218
      I found this on Wikipedia so dont know how credible it is, but it seems what you are referring to is the half bet rule which only applies to FL not NL/PL.

      There are two options in common use: pot-limit and no-limit games usually use what is called the full bet rule, while fixed-limit and spread-limit games may use either the full bet rule or the half bet rule. The full bet rule states that if the amount of an all-in bet is less than the minimum bet, or if the amount of an all-in raise is less than the full amount of the previous raise, it does not constitute a "real" raise, and therefore does not reopen the betting action. The half bet rule states that if an all-in bet or raise is equal to or larger than half the minimum amount, it does constitute a raise and reopens the action.
    • justkyle88
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 7,598
      Hey muel294,

      You made the correct ruling/decision :)