[NL2-NL10] NL10 top two pair again

    • jbpatzer
      jbpatzer
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      Joined: 22.11.2009 Posts: 6,944
      Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BB: $14.37
      UTG: $22.91
      MP: $10.11
      CO: $10.40
      BTN: $10.81
      Hero (SB): $10.00

      Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Q:club: K:spade:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.25, fold

      Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) K:heart: Q:diamond: T:diamond:
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.00, BTN raises to $2.70, Hero ???

      i) Maybe calling preflop was not so smart, but....
      ii) When he reraises on the flop, I'm not sure there are many hands left in his range that I beat (maybe AA and AK), and I think I should fold (I actually shoved).

      ??
  • 8 replies
    • StaticMoth
      StaticMoth
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      Joined: 22.05.2009 Posts: 2,642
      Villain stats and steal % ?

      Usually you have button's opening range crushed ...
      There are a looot of worse 2 pairs + monster draw combos.

      So kinda depends on his stats/opponent type whether you want to get it in right on the flop or take a different line.

      Vs a maniac you get it in, vs a normalish TAG call and re-evaluate turn.

      So yeah, opp dependant, vs a solid value range you're basically 50/50 equity wise.
    • Tulabas
      Tulabas
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      Joined: 31.08.2009 Posts: 98
      i call pre or fold to 4 bet...
      this is a great flop for KQ in 4bet pot imo...you shouldnt call and see the turn, wich might bring a card that beats u or bring a card which stops action if ur ahead...so ship flop ..and if your equity is only 50percent, its still profitable due to dead money.
    • jbpatzer
      jbpatzer
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      Joined: 22.11.2009 Posts: 6,944
      Early in the session, so no real stats.

      I find it very hard to believe I have 50% equity against his reraising range here. Don't have time now, but I may construct a range for him and calculate this later.
    • Tulabas
      Tulabas
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      Joined: 31.08.2009 Posts: 98
      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 39.793% 36.05% 03.74% 23912 2483.00 { KsQc }
      Hand 1: 60.207% 56.46% 03.74% 37452 2483.00 { TT+, AKs, AJs, KQs, QTs, J9s, AKo, AJo, KQo, QTo, J9o }

      i did this for you, i think its good..well i know 1thing-you cant call...its either push or fold , in game i think i would push, but now i dont think its a good idea :)
    • jbpatzer
      jbpatzer
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      Joined: 22.11.2009 Posts: 6,944
      Thanks for that!

      Well, there you go. Less than 50%. I think I'd add AA, KK, QQ and JJ to his calling range though. Not sure if that makes much difference.

      In the hand, I shoved and he showed me AJ. :f_cry:
    • Tulabas
      Tulabas
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      Joined: 31.08.2009 Posts: 98
      Originally posted by jbpatzer
      Thanks for that!

      I think I'd add AA, KK, QQ and JJ to his calling range though.
      TT+ means TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA :)
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello jbpatzer,

      Preflop: I'd often just 3bet here but Calling in some cases is also alright, depending on the opponent, if for example likes to Call a lot of 3bets then it might be safer to just Call.
      Flop: Often I would consider even leading out on such flop for protection but as you decided to Check/Raise then you can't really Check/Raise/Fold since you are tuning your hand into bluff, so likely go broke as you decided to Check/Raise. But with donking we can still decided whether to continue or not, depending on the opponent but often I think I would also Bet/Shove there.

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 43,721% 40,123% 7,195% 52,682% KsQc
      Player 2: 56,279% 52,682% 7,195% 40,123% TT+, AKs, AJs, KQs, KTs, QTs, J9s, AKo, AJo, KQo, KTo, QTo, J9o

      Small calculation also for it but we can even wide up the range what would likely give us even better equity.

      Best regards.
    • jbpatzer
      jbpatzer
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      Joined: 22.11.2009 Posts: 6,944
      Thanks for your help everyone. My play wasn't as bad as I thought! :D