[NL20-NL50] [SH] NL25 Rush - Top two as a bluff

    • StaticMoth
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      NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($34.57)
      BB ($28.35)
      UTG ($43.06)
      UTG+1 ($30.51)
      CO ($28.91)
      BTN ($25)

      Dealt to Hero A:spade: J:heart:

      fold, fold, CO raises to $1, fold, Hero calls $0.90, fold

      FLOP ($2.25) J:diamond: 9:diamond: 8:heart:

      Hero checks, CO bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

      TURN ($5.25) J:diamond: 9:diamond: 8:heart: T:heart:

      Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

      RIVER ($10.25) J:diamond: 9:diamond: 8:heart: T:heart: A:diamond:

      Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero raises to $9.57, CO folds

      Hero shows A:spade: J:heart:

      Hero wins $17.34

      Villain - 75/75/inf AF (5 hands)

      I guess vs this particular player it could be a bad spot to bluff since he looks very "active" and we don't know whether he can fold anything or not.

      But what can he fire 3 barrels with on such a board?

      Whatever he's doing that with, should be in b/f mode on such a nasty board and esp nasty river? (in vacuum)
  • 6 replies
    • falcone1983
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      Fold turn, very ugly card.

      What are you doing on the river? He never bet/folds any value hand better than yours, especially not vs this sizing.

      If he folded you 100% had the best hand.

      So check/call river.
    • StaticMoth
      StaticMoth
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      Originally posted by falcone1983
      Fold turn, very ugly card.

      What are you doing on the river? He never bet/folds any value hand better than yours, especially not vs this sizing.

      If he folded you 100% had the best hand.

      So check/call river.
      River I thought that whatever he fires 3 barrels with on this board, must be in b/f mode there.

      Since I look a lot like a FD, made a small bluffraise ...
      But in retrospect, it's a little too optimistic to expect NL25 players to
      fold their str8's and sets on the river ...

      They most likely won't fold a str8, but I do think that if he isn't the biggest fish
      ever, he would fold a set there.
    • Tim64
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      have to agree with falcone1983 here (he normally gets it right :rolleyes: )

      your tiny raise is not enough to make villain fold any hand that is beating you on the river. you would definitely make it more with a flush, so he is never folding sets or even straights.

      so if he does fold he probably was bluffing or had AK or some other worse 2pair hand you beat anyway.

      however, I would also call the turn. It is an ugly card but we are still ahead quite often and we get a good price.
    • falcone1983
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      Just to clarify, the problem isn't really that he won't fold his sets to your riverraise, it's that he won't bet them in the first place.

      That's why these kind of spots are an "easy" leak to have; you very often have the best hand, so if you raise villain will fold a lot, making you think you made a good play, until you run into a flush.
    • StaticMoth
      StaticMoth
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      Originally posted by falcone1983
      Just to clarify, the problem isn't really that he won't fold his sets to your riverraise, it's that he won't bet them in the first place.
      True
    • Kaitz20
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      I would bet flop and then also turn, if you c/c then you can´t really c/c turn, since I think he is not bluffing there enough times and you can´t call him down
      River I´d also just c/c. he is not going to fold better hand, or call down with worse