[NL2-NL10] try to represent a big overpair

    • JHTAN
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      Position:
      Stack
      MP1:
      $5
      Hero:
      $2
      MP3:
      $5.05

      0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant.Base 0.94 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A:diamond: , Q:diamond:
      UTG2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, MP3 calls $0.60, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.40.

      Flop: ($1.95) 9:diamond: , 5:club: , 4:heart: (3 players)
      MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.4 (All-In), 2 folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back (All-In).

      Final Pot: $1.95

      Hi,

      I treat MP1 minraise as two limpers. So I raise to 6bb.
      On the flop, three handed. I try to represent a big overpair so I cbet. Fortunately, both of them folded. Usually I do the same thing in similar situation as above.
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    • thazar
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      Originally posted by Gerv

      Don't rep on 25NL even terribad regs can't handread vs you

      I guess the same is valid for NL10 :) . But I guess the cbet is standard with 2 overcards and a pot bigger than your stack.
    • Gerv
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      Agree with repping

      As played you just have to play your equity which means I would have played it the same way.

      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • JHTAN
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      Hi Gerv,

      What is the percentage of at least one out off two villain has hit a pair on the flop?
      I mean we only hit a pair on the Flop 33%. So I wish to know the probability of at least one out of two villain hit a pair on flop. Thanks :)
    • Gerv
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      Since you need either one , one has to add %chances
      Since one can hit a pair 32%, chances are 64%

      - Gerv
    • thazar
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      Originally posted by Gerv
      Since you need either one , one has to add %chances
      Since one can hit a pair 32%, chances are 64%

      - Gerv
      I thought about saying that but then it did not make sense to me to add up.

      reason is if there are 4 people or more the chances are > 100% while there is always the chance of no-one making anything (however remote). Is adding a close estimate?
    • Gerv
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      Ofcourse you have to add in blockers, people holding the same hand, other people who folded their hand etc. etc.

      So it is close to 100%, it is never 100% because there are instances where no ones has hit anything with 8 live cards.
    • JHTAN
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      Originally posted by Gerv
      Agree with repping

      As played you just have to play your equity which means I would have played it the same way.

      Best regards,
      Gerv
      What equity mentioned do you mean? How to calculate the equity? Thanks
    • Gerv
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      how many outs do you have?
      Therefore against a pair how much equity do you have?

      Use Equilator if you dont know how to do this by heart
    • JHTAN
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      Originally posted by Gerv
      how many outs do you have?
      Therefore against a pair how much equity do you have?

      Use Equilator if you dont know how to do this by heart
      Hero has 6 outs if both villain dont have A or Q.
      Against a pair, Hero has about 28% equity.
    • Gerv
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      There you go , looking at the pot you have approx 25% equity share
    • JHTAN
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      Originally posted by Gerv
      There you go , looking at the pot you have approx 25% equity share
      Hi Gerv,

      I am not understood that how I have approx 25% equity share. May you please show me the calculation? Thanks. :s_pleased:
    • Gerv
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      look at the Pot & your stack and likeliness of him calling thus giving you pot odds

      Also factor in some FEQ for profit
    • JHTAN
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      Originally posted by Gerv
      look at the Pot & your stack and likeliness of him calling thus giving you pot odds

      Also factor in some FEQ for profit
      The pot size is $1.95 and the Hero stack size is $1.40. Assume that one of the vallains call Hero's shove the final pot is ($1.95+$1.40+$1.40)*0.95=
      $4.51. So, the minimum equity needed is Amount to call/(Final pot*0.95) that is $1.40/$4.51=0.310->31.0%. Since, the Hero has about 28% equity against a pair that is less than the minimum equity needed (28%<31%). So, in my opinion, Hero should check/fold on the flop. Is my argumentation acceptable? Thanks

      Originally posted by burek2000

      The calculation for the needed equity goes like...

      Amount to call/(Final pot*0.95)=Needed equity

      Amount to call is the money you have left to invest in the pot.

      Final pot is the size of the pot after you and your opponent are both all-in.

      0.95 is multiplied by final pot in order to take the rake in the calculation.


      Regards,
      burek2000
    • thazar
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      The pot size is $1.95 and the Hero stack size is $1.40. Assume that one of the vallains call Hero's shove the final pot is ($1.95+$1.40+$1.40)*0.95= $4.51. So, the minimum equity needed is Amount to call/(Final pot*0.95) that is $1.40/$4.51=0.310->31.0%. Since, the Hero has about 28% equity against a pair that is less than the minimum equity needed (28%<31%). So, in my opinion, Hero should check/fold on the flop. Is my argumentation acceptable? Thanks


      Your calculation seems correct to me but you do not take into account there your fold equity. Just at first look you dont need much fold equity to make the push +ev.
    • Gerv
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      You didn't read my last reply ;) you have FEQ