[NL2-NL10] Blind Steal Flush Draw

    • ManniXXX
      ManniXXX
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      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      UTG+2: $10.40
      MP1: $4.35
      MP2: $10.15
      CO: $2
      BTN: $7.90
      Hero (SB): $1.80
      BB: $11.10
      UTG: $14.85
      UTG+1: $5.10

      Pre-Flop: 9 7 dealt to Hero (SB)
      7 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, BB calls $0.25

      Flop: ($0.70) 5 4 Q (2 Players)
      Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40

      Turn: ($1.50) K (2 Players)
      Hero bets $1.05 and is All-In, BB calls $1.05

      River: ($3.60) 4 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $3.60 Pot ($0.35 Rake)
      Hero showed 9 7 (a pair of Fours) and LOST (-$1.80 NET)
      BB showed A 2 (a pair of Fours) and WON $3.25 (+$1.45 NET)

      I can see 2 possible flaws. Firstly Blind stealing with such a poor starting hand, however I seldom steal with these kind of hands. And secondly going all in a such a weak heart to the flush draw. I know if he didn't have a heart he would of folded on the flop. How likely are these situations to come up odds wise?
  • 9 replies
    • Utahmar
      Utahmar
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      More you would like to see ... check fold flop. Or maybe consider flop bluff cbet, and check fold turn.

      I know we feel on FT steal is a must, have to give up when fails the sooner the better.
    • frzl
      frzl
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      fold preflop without good (!) reads
      check/fold turn
    • xylere
      xylere
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      I suggest you not to steal on NL 10, at least without solid hand. To make your still +EV you need at least 2-5k hands on your opponent (30-50 situations). It just not worth it on NL 10...
    • ManniXXX
      ManniXXX
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      Originally posted by xylere
      I suggest you not to steal on NL 10, at least without solid hand. To make your still +EV you need at least 2-5k hands on your opponent (30-50 situations). It just not worth it on NL 10...
      Try playing on FT, you'll quickly see that it is nessecary, even on NL10.

      I agree with check/folding the turn. He checked into me on the flop so felt a cbet was justified but definatelt should of given up after this, the flush draw was just too tempting i guess :P
    • Berliner1982
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      97o isn´t a stealing hand for me on this limit. Even on higher limits, like NL100 and up, I would only raise with a hand like this, if I have a huge sample size of my opponent in the Big Blind and know that he is folding in more then 90% of the time (where I had at least 100 steal situations).
    • ManniXXX
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      What about vs other small stacks?

      And I'm very interested in the sampling of hands now you've mentioned this, whats the best way to achieve this?
    • frzl
      frzl
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      against other short stacks you should steal any two in sb vs. bb situations (first in of course and only if you are sure that he is playing the sss)
    • Berliner1982
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      Originally posted by frzl
      against other short stacks you should steal any two in sb vs. bb situations (first in of course and only if you are sure that he is playing the sss)
      Even therefore you need stats. In the higher limits you can´t just raise any 2, not even against a Shorty.

      @ManniXXX

      By playing and mining hands. ;)
    • frzl
      frzl
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      the thread opener is playing nl10 so... ;)