PDI - $5 Rush tickets of Doom!

    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      WIP

      TL;DR version

      I'm playing PLO.

      I want to be a winning player at PLO25 (lofty ambitions ITT).

      I need to study like a bastard to even get close to this (sad, but true).

      I want a repository of key lessons and a place to store an occasional snapshot of my stats.

      There will be no regular $$$ results/graphs posted ITT as they are irrelevant, however I will note landmark events as they occur (eg moving limits).

      There will be no whinging whatsoever ITT.

      Na zdravie.
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    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      HU:
      Overpairs
      PLO10 Rush AAK7ds

      Top Two (deep)
      PLO10 KQJTs 300bb deep.
      Key lessons:
      - consider relative hand strength.
      - use position.
      - consider likelihood of draws, find folds when obvious draws complete.
    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      Multiway:
      Trips
      PLO10 AKQT

      Top Two
      PLO10 AKQT
      Key lessons:
      - consider combinations and don't overweight the unlikely (esp v aggro).
      - commit or fold on flop v aggro, don't call on wet boards where we hate lots of turn cards.
    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      To try and get an idea of what hands are worth open raising from various positions. Any discussion on amendments/considerations gratefully received. Rankings determined by the rank feature on PokerProTools.com.

      Trash (>50%)

      56% T85m9 - equity v AAJT 33%
      52% T987r

      BU (looking to open 40% range):
      40 - 50% hands (v tightish/weak blinds):

      45% AT97r
      45% KQT4s (Q4s)
      42% AK72s (A2s)
      42% QJ86s (J6s)
      41% T763ds (T6s, 73s) - if ss = trash. value is in having multi SD + FD
      - if no SD poss between suited cards = trash

      35 - 40% hands:

      38% AK72 (A7s)
      38% T763ds (T7s, 63s)
      37% QJT6 (JT6s)

      30 - 35% hands:

      34% JT98r - T987r is 52% hand - nut potential < all.
      34% T954ds (T9s54s) - when ss T9s = trash (61%)
      34% AT98r
      32% KQ54s (Q4s)
      31% KQJ4s (K4s)


      CO (looking to open 30% range):
      20 - 30% hands:

      29% AJ55s (A5s)
      29% KQ54s (K5s)
      28% QJT9r
      25% KQ54s (K4s) - why is this ranked 4% higher than the same hand K5s?
      24% KQJTr
      21% AQT9r
    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      How's my equity?

      HU

      Overpair + OESD v Top set:

      Board: 9:club: 8:heart: 3:diamond:
      J:heart: J:diamond: T:club: 9:spade: v 99LL
      34.43% : 65.57%

      Note: v bottom set (ie 33LL) our equity improves 1% to 35.33%

      Top two pair + OESD v Bottom set:

      Board: K:spade: Q:spade: 2:diamond:
      K:club: Q:diamond: J:heart: T:spade: v 6:heart: 5:diamond: 2:club: 2:heart:
      48.29% : 51.71%

      3 handed
      Preflop AI:

      9877ds v AAQ6s v KKT5s where one FD is dominated:
      33.5 v 38.2 v 28.3



      4 handed
    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      Moving Limits

      December 2010
      7th - begin grinding PLO10 w/75BI
      18th - move down to PLO5 w/92BI, 46BI @PLO10
      21st - move up to PLO10 w/51.5BI.

      January 2011
      8th - move down to PLO5 w/80BI, 40BI @PLO10
      13th - first PLO and second ever monkey tilt. - ~17% BR.
    • THESHade
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      Originally posted by Waiboy
      :f_confused: :f_confused: :f_confused:
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    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      Originally posted by THESHade
      Originally posted by Waiboy
      :f_confused: :f_confused: :f_confused:
      :f_confused: :f_confused: :f_confused: :f_cool: :f_confused: :f_confused: :f_confused:
      :f_thumbsup: :f_wink: :f_biggrin: :f_cool:
    • Waiboy
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      Updates:

      - Amended opening post.
      - Added hand ranking post, added some detail.
      - Added landmark events post, added some detail.
      - Added common equity match ups post.
    • Waiboy
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      Below are the stats to 12k hands at both PLO10 and PLO10 Rush.

      The top stats are preflop statistics, the bottom set are statistics by position.

      Thanks in advance for any comments.



      Points to address:

      3B percentages are low.
      - due to PS.com open raising article which suggests only 3 betting AA** where you can get 40% of your stack in preflop (which seldom happens) and strong rundown hands like JT98ds (which also seldom happens).
      - loosen up 3B requirements. Determine which hands are good to isolate with v what players (ie weak/loose ip) and in what positions (ie 3B range from SB/BB).
      - yet to watch an episode on PLO intro series which addresses 3B pots which should help narrowing ranges.

      Flop/Turn cBet % seem way high?
      - Flop cBet should be around (from memory, to check) 30%
      - work harder on capturing hands for eval on cBets.
      - cBet pot hand analysis.

      W$SD % is poor.
      - showing down weak hands too often.
      - prolly stems from flop calls rather than bet/folds
      - work on better determining hand strength on flop (ie equity analysis, hand reading).

      Calling v Raising ip.
      - understand equity required to cold call a raise from MP/CO/BU and when a raise is more appropriate.
      - eg MP VPIP/PFR diff = 2%
      CO VPIP/PFR diff = 4.5%
      BU VPIP/PFR diff = 9%

      Other random thoughts:
      - need to analyse bet/fold spots on turn and river.
      - need to analyse call turn, fold river spots both ip/oop.
    • TerrorBlade
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      Posting in epic thread.

      Also with AAxx isn't it that you FOUR-bet when you can get 40%+ of your stack in?
    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      Originally posted by TerrorBlade
      Posting in epic thread.
      *blushes*

      How's your mission so far?

      Also with AAxx isn't it that you FOUR-bet when you can get 40%+ of your stack in?
      When should Aces be raised pre-flop?

      Generally, when one can invest 1/3 of one's stack pre-flop, a re-raise with Aces, or in some rare cases with Kings, is good. You should of course be able to read your opponent's hand relatively accurately, i.e. the flop should be good for you in order to go all-in! Also, if you want to make a re-raise for deception with low connected cards, in order to trap on a low flop, make sure that your opponent is more likely to call than go all-in directly pre-flop.
      In practical purposes, v a 3B is the only time you can get 1/3 of your stack in, outside of family pots (oh, and I miss quoted, PS.com article says 1/3 of stack, other info talks about anywhere between 30-33%ish to 50%, opponent dependant). It could be I'm misreading this, or it's been written confusingly (ie a stating a re-raise meaning re-raising a pf 3B). In any case, it turns out this is too tight. I haven't watched enough live sessions yet to get a good indication of 3B hands, and haven't read/watched enough decent theory on preflop 3Bs. Yet.
    • Waiboy
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      Moved up to PLO10 with 51.5 BI, will move down at 45BI.
    • TerrorBlade
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      I just finished getting my 300k milestone bonus on stars so im going into PLO mode soon, but taking a bit of time off for now.

      I guess I could be wrong on this but I'm quite sure that it's nearly always correct to 3-bet AAxx preflop, especially IP.
    • Waiboy
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      Gratz on the bonus! Merry Christmas btw. Hopefully you're trapped in a chiller somewhere rather than melting in this humidity. :f_eek:

      You're definitely correct IP, oop I've seen it repeated that a 3B is not mandatory. The preflop article talks about a 70% hand v a top 10% hand having enough equity to call a potsize bet on 50% of all flops. So against someone half decent I'm not sure the oop 3B is good without an absolute premium hand.

      Gimme a yell if you wanna sweat a session or two when you get back into the swing.

      EDIT:

      Here's a response to a hand I've posted. The range is for a villain playing 27/23

      Originally posted by falcone1983
      Against this guy, with no other players in the pot, and for 100bb stacks, I'd 3bet:

      - any AAxx
      - average to good KKxx (any KKxxds, any AKKx w/ suited A, any double-paired King with a suit, all KKQJ-type hands)
      - premium QQxx (double suited & connected)
      - any double suited, double paired hands w/ both pairs 8 or higher
      - any suited A with 4 broadway cards (e.g. AdKsQhTd)
      - any double suited A with 3 broadway cards (AdKsJd8s)
      - any double suited rundown 8-hi or better (the higher your cards, the more gaps you can afford)
      - single suited perfect rundowns T-hi or better

      The fishier the player, the more you can 3bet (but do pay attention to their 4bet stats - things like single suited hands with an Ace play badly in 4bet pots, as do hands with a pair QQ or lower in them).
    • nibbana
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      Following with interest, all the best !
    • jbpatzer
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      So this is where you're hiding you results! PLO is a complete mystery to me, so, as usual, I have nothing of any use to add. However, I will read your blog out of politeness. Make it less serious please. More pictures and cartoons.
    • Waiboy
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      Aww shucks chaps. Now it definitely feels like Christmas!

      If I manage to hit my lofty goal I'll lighten things up a bit, but the essence of this blog is as an information repository. My old blog(s) were meant to be as well, but things never worked out quite as they should have. TBH the more emotive my writing style, the more things turn into a bitch fest. :f_rolleyes:

      On the plus side, hopefully there will be some useful stuff in here. That's the intention anyway.

      How 'bout a song?

    • jbpatzer
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      New Zealand's answer to the White Stripes! I'm actually a big Crowded House fan, so seeing Finn Jnr on Jools Holland's show makes me feel, well.......just old really! :f_cry:
    • NightFrostaSS
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      Cool song