[NL2-NL10] NL10 SH - Ts8s, Shove with 0% fold equity?

    • ragney
      ragney
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.08.2010 Posts: 2,417
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $10
      MP2:
      $3,32
      MP3:
      $10
      BU:
      $12,76

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant.Base 0.96 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with T:spade: , 8:spade:
      MP2 raises to $0,20, MP3 calls $0,20, CO folds, BU calls $0,20, SB folds, Hero calls $0,10.

      Flop: ($0,85) Q:spade: , 9:club: , 4:spade: (4 players)
      Hero checks, MP2 bets $1,6, MP3 folds, BU raises to $3,20, Hero raises to $9,80 (All-In), MP2 calls $1,52 (All-In), BU calls $6,60.

      Turn: ($23,57) 5:diamond:
      River: ($23,57) Q:diamond: (3 players)


      Final Pot: $23,57

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      MP2 shows (Qh 7h)
      BU shows a full-house, nines full of queens (9h 9d)
      Hero shows (Ts 8s)

      BU wins with a full-house, nines full of queens (9h 9d)

      If I understand this correctly:
      Odds: $23.57 vs $9.80 --> 2,41:1 --> 29.37%

      I am ahead about 35.6% of the time (according to Pstove). So in long term, it is worth shoving with 0% FE?
  • 3 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello ragney,

      You haven't invested like anything into the pot, and you will never know where you stand here actually, one of the opponents could easily have a hand like KsJs or anything like that then your outs would just be dead and you would get anymore such equity. Therefore I'd just fold the hand, I don't see any reason why we should gamble in this spot. It's also maybe at best case break-even.

      Best regards.
    • ragney
      ragney
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.08.2010 Posts: 2,417
      Yeah I thought so as well. I usually fold such situations but was wondering. :)

      Thanks!
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by ragney
      Yeah I thought so as well. I usually fold such situations but was wondering. :)

      Thanks!
      You are welcome! Yeah, true this is a interesting situation. :) Good post by the way.