[NL2-NL10] NL50SH KK on 4bet pot

    • degnic
      degnic
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      Joined: 06.02.2007 Posts: 3,953
      Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25/$0.50BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

      CO ($88.00)
      Button ($56.10)
      SB ($77.55)
      BB ($109.04)
      MP3 ($49.75) (Hero)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K:spade: , K:diamond:
      Hero raises to $2.00, 3 folds, BB raises to $8.00, Hero raises to $22.50, BB calls $16.00,

      Flop: A:spade: , 2:club: , 4:diamond: ( $49.25 )
      BB bets $25.00, 1 folds

      Final Pot: $71.80

      Outcome: BB wins $71.80

      Without any kind of stats from villain, do you call flop or fold? He pushed quite instantly, maybe that means that either he has decided to push to any flop already or that he hit with his AK. If you decide to fold against unknown, do you call against aggressive villain? Later I got his stats as 64 vpip / 22pfr / AF 5.5 should've been a call against such player?
  • 7 replies
    • DoigteurFou
      DoigteurFou
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      Joined: 16.08.2007 Posts: 1,528
      I think you have to fold here. Opponent will have an Ace most of the time here, i would have fold too.
    • Nunki
      Nunki
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      Joined: 25.10.2006 Posts: 865
      I'm a calling station so I call getting 3:1. He is as likely to hold QQ as AK.

      Given that he has pretty fishy stats he could hold a fair few aces here but I still call since he is capable of showing so much random junk.

      AQ+,JJ+ is a call in Pokerstove. So is QQ+,AK.

      I doubt if you lose much value in folding here though. You are also spared feeling like an idiot (not that you should) when he shows you AK.
    • aanty2000
      aanty2000
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      Joined: 22.10.2007 Posts: 484
      i think if you wanna do this play (4beting pre ) you should raise more there)... smth like 30 in order to go all in on the flop . you want to extract the most value from your hand with this play not to be put to take an hard decision if an A comes on the flop
    • degnic
      degnic
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      Joined: 06.02.2007 Posts: 3,953
      The convertor shows the 4bet amount look a bit wrong. I reraised his raise 3times, 22.50$+2$. Usually people on this limit either folds or pushes to 4bet, so I don't know if it matters whether I 4bet to 24$ or 30$, as long as the 4bet amount is atleast 3x his raise.
    • aanty2000
      aanty2000
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      Joined: 22.10.2007 Posts: 484
      yes but you have more fold equity if you raise like that ... he cant just call ... he either pushes all folds and both scenarios ar good here
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      @ Sebra coaching he called 3-bet with AA, KK. Since 4-bet gives away your hand. What about slowplaying pre-flop? Of course it depends on certain opponent but calling can´t be too wrong in 6-handed game:P
    • Thorsten77
      Thorsten77
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 12,896
      If you reraise, you should raise a little more and then call a push or push yourself on any flop. I think calling a 3-bet IP is an option, but I like the reraise more as most players will not fold hands like AK, TT+...