[NL2-NL10] AK hit nonthing on Flop

    • JHTAN
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      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      BB:
      $1.85
      Hero:
      $2

      0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant.Base 0.96 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A:spade: , K:diamond:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 5 folds, BB calls $0.30.

      Flop: ($0.85) Q:diamond: , 7:heart: , 3:club: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.4, BB raises to $1.45 (All-In), Hero calls $1.05.

      Turn: ($3.75) 4:club:
      River: ($3.75) Q:club: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $3.75

      Hi,
      the min equity needed is $1.05/($3.75*0.95)=0.2947 (29.47%). I think Hero has 21% equity. So it should be fold. Is that right?
  • 10 replies
    • JHTAN
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      Hero:
      $2
      CO:
      $14.08

      0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant.Base 0.96 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A:spade: , K:heart:
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, MP3 folds, CO calls $0.40, 3 folds.

      Flop: ($0.95) T:spade: , 8:club: , 7:club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.6, CO raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $1.60 (All-In), CO calls $0.40.

      Turn: ($4.15) 9:club:
      River: ($4.15) Q:diamond: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $4.15

      This hand min equity needed is $1.00/($4.15*0.95)=0.2536 (25.36%). I think Hero has 22% equity. So, it should be fold. Is that right?
    • JHTAN
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      BB:
      $2
      Hero:
      $2.25
      MP2:
      $2.14

      0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant.Base 0.96 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A:club: , K:spade:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, MP2 calls $0.40, 4 folds, BB calls $0.30.

      Flop: ($1.25) 9:diamond: , 3:heart: , 2:spade: (3 players)
      BB bets $0.2, Hero raises to $0.80, MP2 folds, BB calls $0.60.

      Turn: ($2.85) 4:diamond: (2 players)
      BB bets $0.4, Hero calls $0.40.

      River: ($3.65) 6:heart: (2 players)
      BB bets $0.4 (All-In), Hero calls $0.40.

      Final Pot: $4.45


      I did stupid thing in this hand. :s_mad: How you react with Dbet? Any opinion is appreciated. Thanks
    • thazar
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      ok 1st hand, I think it is an easy fold to the check raise. The only thing you beat is a bluff


      I would put him mostly on AQ, KQ, QQ, 77, and 33 and possibly A7, QJ and QT but taht would be pussing it.

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 84.215% 84.22% 00.00% 50024 0.00 { QQ, 77, 33, AQs, A7s, KQs, QTs+, AQo, A7o, KQo, QTo+ }
      Hand 1: 15.785% 15.78% 00.00% 9376 0.00 { AsKd }
      (that is best case scenario for you)

      So I think it is a clear fold as you dont have much fold equity.

      2nd hand:

      The board is drawy and you have nothing, you you are ether slighly ahead to way behind so it is a clear fold i would fold against the 3 bet again.

      3rd hand, I would have called the donk bet on flop and reevaluate on turn - float if no bet, or if cbet, depending of the size on turn call or fold.
    • JHTAN
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      Originally posted by thazar


      3rd hand, I would have called the donk bet on flop and reevaluate on turn - float if no bet, or if cbet, depending of the size on turn call or fold.
      What you will do if he donkbet $0.20 on Turn?
    • thazar
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      well cheap call for 2 over card and a gut shot even if it is the idiot end I would call $0.2
    • burek2000
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      Hey JHTAN,

      #1

      Would you c-bet just 0.4$ if you had a made hand as well?

      As played, easy fold to the c/r. You already pointed out yourself you don't have the necessary equity. Perhaps try to learn what stack sizes allow you to go broke according to equity and which not, so you can make correct decisions when you play.

      #2

      Pretty much the same case as #1. Bet/fold.

      #3

      Here you have a 3-way pot thus villain OOP will be less inclined to bluff and you don't know what will the villain IP do, therefore I would just give up the hand. You only have A-high in 3-way pot, no need to make things complecated.

      On the other hand I would usually call the dbet if this was a HU pot as thazar said with given stack sizes. Or if you had 20BB or less I would just shove over this smallish donkbet for max FE and even if you get called you get to see 2 more streets with your 2 overcards.

      Regards,
      burek2000
    • JHTAN
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      Originally posted by burek2000
      Hey JHTAN,

      #1

      Would you c-bet just 0.4$ if you had a made hand as well?

      Regards,
      burek2000
      Hi burek2000,

      On the Flop, I usually cbet 1/2 pot size if the board is drawless and cbet 2/3 pot size if the broad is draw-heavy. And I always do the same thing either I have a made hand or not for balancing line. Any suggestion about cbeting size? Besides that, if AK missed on Flop,is that usually AK hand has to fold to Dbet? If Hero Cbet with AK and get raised, Hero should fold with two overcards? Thanks.
    • burek2000
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      Originally posted by JHTAN
      Originally posted by burek2000
      Hey JHTAN,

      #1

      Would you c-bet just 0.4$ if you had a made hand as well?

      Regards,
      burek2000
      Hi burek2000,

      On the Flop, I usually cbet 1/2 pot size if the board is drawless and cbet 2/3 pot size if the broad is draw-heavy. And I always do the same thing either I have a made hand or not for balancing line. Any suggestion about cbeting size? Besides that, is that usually AK hand has to fold to Dbet or raise if it hits nonthing on Flop that is just two overcard? Thanks.
      I just asked about your c-bet because it's slightly less than 1/2 pot and it's alright if you do the same with made and non made hand, but I thought you just wanted to make it cheaper because you hit nothing. Half pot c-bets are usually fine on dry boards, but I don't like betting less than half pot because some fishies might take it as a weakness and try to take the pot from you.

      I'm not sure though I understand your question about AK. But in general yeah, only 2 overcards is considered "trash" hand and should be folded to dbets, however if villain does some small weak donkbet in HU pot then you can usually count with a lot of fold equity(+ some equity for 2 overcards) and shove over with small stack. However, that's very villain/board dependent.

      Regads,
      burek2000
    • JHTAN
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      [quote]Originally posted by burek2000
      Originally posted by JHTAN
      Originally posted by burek2000
      Hey JHTAN,

      #1

      Would you c-bet just 0.4$ if you had a made hand as well?

      Regards,
      burek2000
      I'm not sure though I understand your question about AK. But in general yeah, only 2 overcards is considered "trash" hand and should be folded to dbets, however if villain does some small weak donkbet in HU pot then you can usually count with a lot of fold equity(+ some equity for 2 overcards) and shove over with small stack. However, that's very villain/board dependent.

      Regads,
      burek2000
      Hi burek2000,

      First of all, I want to apologize for my bad English :f_grin: . Do you always fold if your Cbet get raised against an unknown? I mean your AK with just two overcards on the broad. Thanks. :f_p:
    • Gerv
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      Yes but our aim is to make the unknown known as soon as possible so we can deviate from our weak-tight strategy

      & Please 1 hand per thread as I had to put a lot of time in this thread to just follow the conversation, thanks

      - Gerv