Deviating from TAG against fish

    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Playing against fish in any kind of a NL holdem game is profitable if you play ABC poker, that is - you play tight and don't take unnecessary risks. Is it the most profitable way of playing against this kind of opponents or is it simply the safest and most appropriate for the insuficiently experienced player? Is it the optimal play?

      How about players who are simply bad (occasionally make random unpredictable plays)? How much should you deviate from TAG and how can you choose the optimal strategy (on what information given that his play is random every now and again)?
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    • Wriggers
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      I think it's better to stay TAG and valuebet, as playing a more LAG style relies on you outplaying them postflop. But the thing is, you can't "outplay" a fish, because they arne't playing in a logical way :D When i'm against fish I tend to call their raises with hands such as suited connectors, suited one-gappers etc.
    • Hajler
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      Hello!

      Since everyone is competing for the fish's money, you will want to maximize the number of hands you play against such players. To do so you want to be in position and isolate as much as possible. If you are not familiar with the concept I think there is a series about isolation plays in the columns section. You should however avoid making bluffs against players who call down with any 2 cards, for obvious reasons.

      You can also vary your bet size depending on your hand strength against fish, as they are not going to pick up on such tells. So you can bet big with your good hands, and small with your marginal hands, etc.

      I wouldn't really call any of this deviating from TAG, as it should be part of your standard repertoire.

      Hope it helps.
    • Avatars91
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      How good must your hand be to shove against fish postflop/preflop?
    • NightFrostaSS
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      Originally posted by Hajler
      Hello!

      Since everyone is competing for the fish's money, you will want to maximize the number of hands you play against such players. To do so you want to be in position and isolate as much as possible. If you are not familiar with the concept I think there is a series about isolation plays in the columns section. You should however avoid making bluffs against players who call down with any 2 cards, for obvious reasons.

      You can also vary your bet size depending on your hand strength against fish, as they are not going to pick up on such tells. So you can bet big with your good hands, and small with your marginal hands, etc.

      I wouldn't really call any of this deviating from TAG, as it should be part of your standard repertoire.

      Hope it helps.
      This AINEC

      Originally posted by Avatars91
      How good must your hand be to shove against fish postflop/preflop?
      There is no general answer to this question imo
    • EmanuelC16
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      Originally posted by NightFrostaSS

      Originally posted by Avatars91
      How good must your hand be to shove against fish postflop/preflop?
      There is no general answer to this question imo
      Yep, each fish has different go broke range depending on how tilted he is so you need to figure that out and go broke with a hand ahead of that range.
    • Wriggers
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      I'd say against a lot of the major ifsh you can easily 3barrel betting pot with TPGK. I had one last night on NL25 that would call down 3 streets with bottom pair top kicker. Unfortunately I didn't figure this out straight away and ended up folding my overpair when he snap-called the flop and turn and then raised the river :( I did take quite a bit off him though!
    • SickAtHome
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      Originally posted by Hajler
      Hello!

      Since everyone is competing for the fish's money, you will want to maximize the number of hands you play against such players. To do so you want to be in position and isolate as much as possible. If you are not familiar with the concept I think there is a series about isolation plays in the columns section. You should however avoid making bluffs against players who call down with any 2 cards, for obvious reasons.

      You can also vary your bet size depending on your hand strength against fish, as they are not going to pick up on such tells. So you can bet big with your good hands, and small with your marginal hands, etc.

      I wouldn't really call any of this deviating from TAG, as it should be part of your standard repertoire.

      Hope it helps.
      Some really great advice, thanks!