Rush rakeback

    • niveaformen
      niveaformen
      Diamond
      Joined: 07.11.2008 Posts: 100
      Please help me,

      would like to know how much is rb/1000 hands at rush from nl10 - nl200...
      Mostly need for 6max, but u can put for FR...

      I have small samples 6max only

      20k hands nl50 - 5,75$/1000
      10k nl25 - 3,98$

      Ty
  • 16 replies
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
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      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      Well since the new rake system on full tilt other people stats wont help you much since you get more rakeback if you play a lose style then if your a nit. If you play like 9/9 nit style you'll get only about 10% rakeback while if you play 80/80 fish style you get like 50% rakeback.
    • niveaformen
      niveaformen
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      Joined: 07.11.2008 Posts: 100
      Yeah, but I believe there no such big difference in numbers, probable there is no pokerstrategy player which play 80/80... Probable VPIP is from 16-26 so we could get some average amount, doesn't have to be 100% correct...
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      HEM displays the rake we payed, not the average rake on the table, right? so we can just multiply the HEM rake stat by 0.27, right?
    • niveaformen
      niveaformen
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      Joined: 07.11.2008 Posts: 100
      Yes, but I want to know for other stakes also, nl10/100/200 and for nl25/50 on bigger sample...
    • Neo101k
      Neo101k
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      Joined: 11.12.2009 Posts: 21
      Originally posted by MatejM47
      Well since the new rake system on full tilt other people stats wont help you much since you get more rakeback if you play a lose style then if your a nit. If you play like 9/9 nit style you'll get only about 10% rakeback while if you play 80/80 fish style you get like 50% rakeback.
      I noticed that with almost same amount of IronMan points generated these last few days (a fair approximation of rake) compared with another day of last month (same limits played), these days I got less PS points (aka less rake generated) compared with last month.

      But I don't seem to find anything about this new rakesystem you speak of on Full Tilt site. It is my understanding that now the rake generated is directly related to the amount of the money deducted from your stack at the table, when rake is collected from the pot. Am I right?
    • adamjjj
      adamjjj
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      Joined: 20.10.2009 Posts: 51
      Originally posted by Neo101k
      Originally posted by MatejM47
      Well since the new rake system on full tilt other people stats wont help you much since you get more rakeback if you play a lose style then if your a nit. If you play like 9/9 nit style you'll get only about 10% rakeback while if you play 80/80 fish style you get like 50% rakeback.
      I noticed that with almost same amount of IronMan points generated these last few days (a fair approximation of rake) compared with another day of last month (same limits played), these days I got less PS points (aka less rake generated) compared with last month.

      But I don't seem to find anything about this new rakesystem you speak of on Full Tilt site. It is my understanding that now the rake generated is directly related to the amount of the money deducted from your stack at the table, when rake is collected from the pot. Am I right?
      From what i understand the looser of the pot gets credit for paying more rake, so loosing players and fish get more FT points and rakeback which keeps them at the tables
    • Cornie4ever
      Cornie4ever
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      hey,

      honestly I am completely confused by the rakeback system on FTP as well. What I know is

      1] I have understood that FTP changd their system to weighted contributed system (i.e. your rakeback is really 0.27 of what they raked from "your money only" in the pot. E.g. you shove preflop 100$ and got one call and blinds fold, the pot is 201.5 and your MGR generated is the amount raked from your 100$- i.e. your MGR is almost 1.5$ as the total rake is max 3$ and you put almost 50% to the pot).

      2] But on this page they still say that the FTP is calculated this way http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/fullTiltPoints.php in short they say that the 3$ raked means 30FTP for the TABLE and it is distributed equally to the players that were dealt cards to the hand. So everybody gets around 3.3FTP. However, according to 1] above my understanding is that you should get almost 15FTP, the other caller almost 15FTP, blinds something very small and the players who folded preflop should get nothing.

      Can anybody explain this to me? Thx a lot

      EDIT - in the good old times when I understood the system, 1k hands on NL100rush FR (i.e. slightly more than one hour of playing) were around 20$ on rakeback. This may be slightly less as the TAG players should have been a bit screwed by the change of rakeback system that helps fish. I play 16/12 myself.

      ...
    • JuiceQuadre
      JuiceQuadre
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      Joined: 05.10.2008 Posts: 2,688
      The problem is Fulltilltpoints and rakeback are calculated different..

      Basically the whole table is still getting the same amount of FT points..

      But every player generates different rake hence every players rakeback will be different..
    • JuiceQuadre
      JuiceQuadre
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      So for Fulltilt points dealt method is used..

      But for rakeback its weighted contributed system..
    • JuiceQuadre
      JuiceQuadre
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      Originally posted by Cornie4ever

      EDIT - in the good old times when I understood the system, 1k hands on NL100rush FR (i.e. slightly more than one hour of playing) were around 20$ on rakeback. This may be slightly less as the TAG players should have been a bit screwed by the change of rakeback system that helps fish. I play 16/12 myself.

      ...
      im confused, do you mean 20$/1000hands of rakeback or rake? 20$ of rb seems too huge?
    • Cornie4ever
      Cornie4ever
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      Hi JQ, yeah thanks. I just got reply on that from FT as well



      Hello Pavel,

      Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support.

      You were correct in your previous email.

      FTP?s earned are now not correlated with rakeback.

      For each dollar raked from the pot in a real-money ring game, 10 Full Tilt Points will be awarded to the table and then split equally between all players dealt into the hand.

      What we changed is the way rake is "shared" between all players involved in a hand. This now depends on whether or not players contribute to the rake (put money into the pot) and how much they contributed.

      This new calculation method more fairly distributes the rake across the players who earned it. In the past, players who had not contributed to the rake taken were also being credited a portion of it.

      Over the long term, there will be a far more equitable distribution of revenue to all players across all game types, limits and playing styles.

      For example: The total pot is $100 and you put $40 in, player B puts $40 in, and player C puts $20 in. $3 gets raked. Both you and player B get credited for $1.20 (40% of $3) and player C gets credited for $0.60 (20% of $3).

      Note that this change also only affects ring game players not playing heads-up. Heads-up and tournament players will see no difference.

      I hope this clarifies your query.

      If there's anything else we can help you with, please let us know. We're always here to help.

      Regards,

      Shane
      Poker Specialist
      Full Tilt Poker Support
    • Cornie4ever
      Cornie4ever
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      Originally posted by JuiceQuadre
      Originally posted by Cornie4ever

      EDIT - in the good old times when I understood the system, 1k hands on NL100rush FR (i.e. slightly more than one hour of playing) were around 20$ on rakeback. This may be slightly less as the TAG players should have been a bit screwed by the change of rakeback system that helps fish. I play 16/12 myself.

      ...
      im confused, do you mean 20$/1000hands of rakeback or rake? 20$ of rb seems too huge?
      RB but sry I meant NL200 FR.. Does that match now?
    • JuiceQuadre
      JuiceQuadre
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      Originally posted by Cornie4ever
      Originally posted by JuiceQuadre
      Originally posted by Cornie4ever

      EDIT - in the good old times when I understood the system, 1k hands on NL100rush FR (i.e. slightly more than one hour of playing) were around 20$ on rakeback. This may be slightly less as the TAG players should have been a bit screwed by the change of rakeback system that helps fish. I play 16/12 myself.

      ...
      im confused, do you mean 20$/1000hands of rakeback or rake? 20$ of rb seems too huge?
      RB but sry I meant NL200 FR.. Does that match now?
      Yup that sounds more likely =) would be cool to have 20$rb/1000 on nl100 though :P
    • Cornie4ever
      Cornie4ever
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      Originally posted by JuiceQuadre
      Originally posted by Cornie4ever
      Originally posted by JuiceQuadre
      Originally posted by Cornie4ever

      EDIT - in the good old times when I understood the system, 1k hands on NL100rush FR (i.e. slightly more than one hour of playing) were around 20$ on rakeback. This may be slightly less as the TAG players should have been a bit screwed by the change of rakeback system that helps fish. I play 16/12 myself.

      ...
      im confused, do you mean 20$/1000hands of rakeback or rake? 20$ of rb seems too huge?
      RB but sry I meant NL200 FR.. Does that match now?
      would be cool to have 20$rb/1000 on nl100 though :P
      yep, but that would probably mean losing at least 200$ on tables :D
    • niveaformen
      niveaformen
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      Joined: 07.11.2008 Posts: 100
      So, at nl200 rb is about 20$/1000?
    • Phgrinder
      Phgrinder
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      Joined: 16.02.2009 Posts: 1,002
      do they still award you the FTP points accordingly even if you quick fold to the next hand???

      like you quickfold on the button and there was a hug pot by the blinds. will you still get the FTP points according to the pot size even if you got already moved to another table?