[NL2-NL10] AK sqz vs 2 autocallers

    • SaDeOnE
      SaDeOnE
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      $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
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      9 Players
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      Stacks:
      UTG VSP1964 ($10.63)
      UTG+1 Demon 59598 ($5)
      MP1 caskaras ($11.15)
      MP2 paulo_malina ($5)
      MP3 Asousa52 ($14.19)
      CO LastK1ss ($5)
      BTN BODKA-93 ($11.60)
      SB Hero ($4.75)
      BB Junkylite ($12.50)

      Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 9 players) Hero is SB A :heart: K :diamond:
      2 folds, caskaras raises to $0.50, 3 folds, paulo_malina says "fish", BODKA-93 calls $0.50, Hero goes all-in $4.75, 1 fold, caskaras calls $4.25, BODKA-93 folds

      Flop: Q :club: 7 :heart: J :diamond: ($10.25, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Turn: 6 :spade: ($10.25, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: Q :diamond: ($10.25, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: $10.25
      Hero shows a pair of Queens A :heart: K :diamond: caskaras shows a full house, Sixes full of Queens 6 :diamond: 6 :heart: caskaras wins $9.74 (net +$4.99) Hero lost $4.75 BODKA-93 lost $0.50

      jam preflop or just a raise?
      but i was OOP so i think jam was optimal, hate those kinda situations :D
  • 8 replies
    • JHTAN
      JHTAN
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      Hi,

      Preflop, I will raise 6bb-7bb. And jam on Flop. :D
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
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      Originally posted by JHTAN
      Hi,

      Preflop, I will raise 6bb-7bb. And jam on Flop. :D
      If it was a limp + caller yes

      there is a min-raise + caller, so 2xbb x 3 + 2xbb + 1xbb (OOP) = 9xbb which is about half you stack => I would rather shove.

      NH!
    • JHTAN
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      • 07.01.2011, 08:04
      • This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by JHTAN: 07.01.2011 08:10.
      opps, I didn't see it. :f_p:

      I will raise 8.5bb then jam on Flop. I think raise has more ev than shove. :f_p:
    • Tampaloeres81
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      Originally posted by JHTAN
      opps, I didn't see it. :f_p:

      I will raise 8.5bb then jam on Flop. I think raise has more ev than shove. :f_p:
      Hi,

      IP I would raise 8-9 bb
      OOP I would rather shove because you dont want to give villain an easy fold with a K or A on the deck.

      T.
    • JHTAN
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      • 07.01.2011, 15:27
      • This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by JHTAN: 07.01.2011 15:30.
      Hi,

      In my opinion, most of the time, the minraiser and the cold caller will fold to shove.
    • Tampaloeres81
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      • 07.01.2011, 15:33
      • This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by Tampaloeres81: 07.01.2011 15:33.
      Originally posted by JHTAN
      Hi,

      In my opinion, most of the time, the minraiser and the cold caller will fold to shove.
      Start shoving wider then :f_biggrin:

      With what range do you expect to get called if you raise to 8.5xbb instead of a shove?
      And in how many pots do you take it down with a flop jam?

      T.
    • SaDeOnE
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      but if someone calls with for example mid pair, i miss the flop, i shove, he calls -EV my stack lost most of the time
    • burek2000
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      Hey SaDeOne & Co,

      Nice hand!

      Shove >>> raise/jam flop, when you're OOP. If you raise you let villain see the flop for free and let him/them put the rest of his/their money in only on the flops they like while you commit yourself to jam any flop.

      Even IP I would 100% jam preflop with 18BB vs minraise and a call. If you raise you just commit yourself too much. You could get fancy with AA which never misses the flop, but AK hits a K or an A only in about 1/3 of the flops. However, I also jam AA here just as I jam AK.

      Cheers,
      burek2000