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[NL2-NL10] NL4 SH, playing 2nd pair OOP on paired flop

    • dienaszaglis
      Joined: 12.06.2008 Posts: 999
      $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by

      UTG ($8.96)
      UTG+1 ($4.24)
      CO ($4.04)
      BTN ($4)
      Hero ($5.99)
      BB ($4)

      Pre-Flop: ($0.06, 6 players) Hero is SB 5:diamond: 5:spade:
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.16, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.14, 1 fold

      Flop: 3:club: 3:heart: A:heart: ($0.36, 2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $0.26, Hero?


      $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by

      Hero ($4.55)
      UTG+1 ($4.33)
      CO ($3.96)
      BTN ($5.26)
      SB ($4)
      BB ($6.22)

      Pre-Flop: ($0.06, 6 players) Hero is UTG 6:diamond: 6:heart:
      Hero calls $0.04, UTG+1 raises to $0.12, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.08

      Flop: 3:diamond: 3:heart: 8:club: ($0.30, 2 players)
      Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.21, Hero?



      My 1st post in the cash games hand evaluations!

      Both hands are kind`a similar.

      Pre-flop - standard.
      Flop - is it reasonable to c/c here? Villains c-bet % is 67 over 100 hands.
      Tigh image, PFR is only 16.

      I should have opened this one. Anyway, as played, situation is similar to first hand. Villains c-bet % is 100, over small sample(35 hands, 3 c-bets).

      My toughts - c/c flop, re-evaluate turn. And how bad would be donking on the flop?
  • 2 replies
    • Anger86
      Joined: 17.08.2008 Posts: 511
      Hello dienaszaglis,

      1st hand.
      If you think, you can call because of implied odds,
      when you hit your set, then you have already planed your hand pre-flop.
      (Which means, that Villains range is very strong. Is it?)
      Hit set, get paid.

      I would like to give you a question:
      Q: Is CO open-raise range tight enough to call for set value?

      I would mostly give up in these spots, if I don't hit the flop
      or if I think I can get Villain to fold, then check/raise,
      but I don't represent much there.
      You are also OOP and if you call, then, if I was a Villain,
      I would bet a lot of turns (with air) to give you a lot
      of though spots and you would fold a lot (i mean - A LOT).
      That would be very easy to exploit, because people generally do it:
      they don't plan hands - they call flop and then hope that 2nd barrel doesn't come,
      because their hand is weak.
      They think about the flop, not about all hand.

      2nd hand
      It is very easy to isolate-raise you, if you limp and then bet all flops about 1/2 pot,
      because your hand is very easy to read and you also hit the flop (set)only 1/8 of the time.
      So, yes as you said - bet.

      When tight player limps in UTG, he usually has a pair like 22-88 usually.
      When weak player (fit-or-fold) limps in UTG, he has a trash.
      Similar thing about both is, that you can exploit them by isolation raising
      and taking most of the pots down with a c-bet. You can use this too, by the way.
      Just think about ranges (write them down), what you want to isolate with.
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello dienaszaglis,

      Please could you next time post 1 hand into 1 thread. :)

      Hand #1
      Sometimes even you might donk out yourself, since the Ace may not be always in their range, depending on the opponent and his stealing range, but if he is more tighter then just Check/Folding is the safest and not bluff at all, since it's NL4.

      Hand #2
      Preflop: I don't mind at all the limp in lower stakes but don't get used to it, in higher ones you rather just raise it up.
      Flop: I'd rather donk out myself here, if I am planning to continue with my hand here. Otherwise just Check/Fold.

      Best regards.