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[NL2-NL10] NL4 SH, AQo OOP

    • dienaszaglis
      Joined: 12.06.2008 Posts: 999
      $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem
      5 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by

      UTG ($5.22)
      CO ($1.88)
      BTN ($4.64)
      Hero ($4)
      BB ($4.14)

      Pre-Flop: ($0.06, 5 players) Hero is SB A:heart: Q:diamond:
      UTG calls $0.04, 1 fold, BTN raises to $0.16, Hero calls $0.14, 1 fold, UTG folds

      Flop: 9:spade: Q:spade: 3:spade: ($0.40, 2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.19, Hero raises to $0.95


      Not enough stats/reads on the villain, so I decided to call, instead of 3bet.

      Villain showed strengt pre-flop, so I decided to c-raise him for more value.

      Thoughts on donking flop here? I think, I am going broke here all day long.

  • 2 replies
    • Anger86
      Joined: 17.08.2008 Posts: 511
      Hello dienaszaglis,

      I think calling and 3-betting - both are fine.
      There are arguments for both plays:
      Calling - it is good that limper (who is probably weak)
      comes into the pot, so you have some implied odds to stack him.

      3-betting - I think I like it more,
      because it is hard to play OOP and without initiative and
      you will have to fold to a lot of c-bets, but if you raise,
      then you can do that c-betting.

      Only question is:
      Q: If we 3-bet AQo, can we go broke here, if Villain (PFR)
      4-bets us?

      1) If he is 4bet or fold type player and the answer is no vs. his 4-bet range, then don't 3-bet him.
      2) If he is calling with weaker hands or 4-betting weaker range (or 4bet bluffing a lot), then the answer is yes and you should 3bet him.

      Vs unknown player in this limit I'm probably going broke pre-flop.

      I think it's fine to ch/raise here.
      Donk-bet might be OK, if you think you can induce some stuff from Villain.
      Sometimes nonstandard lines are fun and if you think it can be more +EV,
      then do it (and then ask in forum :s_biggrin: ).
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello dienaszaglis,

      Preflop: The question is do we really want to play in multiway pot with them with hand like AQo? We are just giving great odds for the UTG guy to limp in and hit with his any kind of weak hand. Therefore for avoiding such situation in the beginning I'd rather play such hands IP. Other option would be if you want to play this hand then just 3bet. But of course Calling and playing postflop is doable, if you feel your postflop skills are good enough.

      As played
      Flop: I'd rather donk out myself, I don't really like the Check/Raise without having the :spade: in our hand, we are just getting against any :spade: hand and also a pair, so bad equity that it ain't worth, rather just Bet out ourself and then reevaluate his actions. Sometimes maybe even Bet/Fold, if we see him as a more passive opponent.

      Best regards.