How best should play this hand in this situation?

    • rooperts21
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      Explain why chose to play as follows:
      If I were forced 3bet all in, all are likely to fold. I did not want to lose the original raiser and expect from bb to resteal to get as much as possible in pot to push all in.


      PokerStars - $1+$0.10|1000/2000 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

      MP: 122,147.00
      CO: 7,898.00
      Hero (BTN): 27,444.00
      SB: 126,240.00
      BB: 67,413.00 15 hands VP 27 / PR 27 / AFq 100
      UTG: 66,036.00 148 hands VP 27 / PR 21 / AFq 45

      MP posts ante 250.00
      CO posts ante 250.00
      Hero posts ante 250.00
      SB posts ante 250.00
      BB posts ante 250.00
      UTG posts ante 250.00
      SB posts SB 1,000.00
      BB posts BB 2,000.00

      Pre Flop: (4500.00) Hero has Ah Ad

      UTG raises to 4,900.00, fold, fold, Hero calls 4,900.00, fold, BB raises to 12,000.00, fold, Hero raises to 27,194.00 and is all-in, BB calls 15,194.00

      Flop: (61788.00, 2 players) Jc 8d 6c

      Turn: (61788.00, 2 players) 8c

      River: (61788.00, 2 players) 7d

      BB shows Jh Jd (Full House, Jacks full of Eights)
      Hero shows Ah Ad (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
      BB wins 61,788.00

      It is likely that I pushed all in pre flop, I get the BB all in and the result would be exactly the same.
  • 9 replies
    • jokerstar77mucker
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      Easy dont flat the first raise your only asking for trouble, if you reraise the BB might fold probably not but at least you give yourself a better chance!
    • StoneJ
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      I don't agree, I think flat calling in this situation is fine. By the looks of it your on the final table of an MTT, the chances of the big blind opting to steal with a min(ish) raise and call before is pretty likely and given stack sizes you would be offering him decent odds to call your shove whereas 3-betting immediately gives him the opportunity to get away.

      Posting the results doesn't help when assessing the situation alone. In this situation the money is making its way in no matter what AA v JJ at that stage of the tourney.
    • jokerstar77mucker
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      Fair enough go with stone on this one, i dont play mtt so im not gonna say whats wrong or right was just giving my opinion!

      Hey stone even with it being 1.10 tourney you still think flating is a good idea considering fish will just come along most the time and them hitting some random 2pair is alot more annoying?
    • StoneJ
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      I play cash too rather than tourneys and would never flat call AA at the low limits i play at. But in this situation given his stack i think trying tog et as many people in the pot as possible is not a bad idea. Given the short stack he has, the moment you get dealt aces your gonna go broke no matter what, if you go out with aces then fair play, if you triple up you have a chance of winning it and shipping a huge return!
    • jass1960
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      min-raise to 8k.....

      Wouldn't have made any difference with this hand, but you would be kicking yourself if BB had T9s or 98s and you kept him in the hand.

      Chee :D rs

      Jass
    • StoneJ
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      In this situation I think the outcome that would leave you the most annoyed is everyone else folding preflop.

      I think you are looking at this from a cash game perspective or even a early-mid phase tourney position where a raise would be much more appropriate.

      For the record I dont think that either way is particularly wrong but I do think saying to raise it every time is not the best advice
    • rooperts21
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      Thanks for the advice!
    • jass1960
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      Originally posted by StoneJ
      In this situation I think the outcome that would leave you the most annoyed is everyone else folding preflop.

      I think you are looking at this from a cash game perspective or even a early-mid phase tourney position where a raise would be much more appropriate.

      For the record I dont think that either way is particularly wrong but I do think saying to raise it every time is not the best advice
      I play only MTT/MTSNG so looking at this from tournament perspective only and there was already a raise - so min-raise to induce call from UTG, but also to isolate UTG!

      AA is good hand, but still only a pair, better to isolate one opponent than risk multi-way pot.

      Edit IMHO
    • rooperts21
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      ty