[NL2-NL10] nl20sh kqs river bet

    • aanty2000
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      Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10/$0.20BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

      CO ($14.78)
      Button ($51.14)
      SB ($50.62)
      BB ($33.40)
      MP2 ($19.80) (Hero)
      MP3 ($28.19)

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K:heart: , Q:heart:
      Hero raises to $0.80, MP3 calls $0.80, 3 folds, BB calls $0.60,

      Flop: T:heart: , Q:spade: , 6:heart: ( $2.5 )
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.60, MP3 calls $1.60, 1 folds

      Turn: T:club: ( $5.7 )
      Hero bets $5.00, MP3 calls $5.00,

      River: 9:club: ( $15.7 )
      Hero checks, MP3 raises All-In $20.79, 1 folds

      Final Pot: $35.71
  • 39 replies
    • Faye6891
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      I would've bet more on the flop, around $2,
      And potsize on the turn (or around it).
      Check/call the river.

      As played, it's a pretty tough decision on the river, I'd probably fold as well.
    • aanty2000
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      why bet more on the river ? i had the draw ... no reason to protect ...
    • helemaalnicks
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      Originally posted by aanty2000
      why bet more on the river ? i had the draw ... no reason to protect ...
      who told you to bet the river?

      you shouldnt bet the river, the rest -> see fayes post. Protect, so it seems you have kqo, let him pretend to have the flushdraw if the heart comes on the river...
    • aanty2000
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      sory ... the flop not the river .. it looked like a 2 3 contibet was ok in this situation . i had a big hand and i was big favourite ... didnt see a reason to scare him with a pot size cb
    • Kaitz20
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      Board is very drawy and you are often still ahead, so I would bet more to protect my hand.
    • Peter87
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      Your betsizes is indipendent of your hand. It depends on the board. So bet about 2$ on the flop. turn ist okay. RIver is fine, too.
      His river push is a bluff or a hand, that is beating you. There are some bustet draws, but i think more often he has a fullhouse or a T.
    • helemaalnicks
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      His river push is a bluff or a hand, that is beating you.


      isn't every riverpush a bluff or a hand that is beating you?:)
    • aanty2000
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      it can be a good hand worse than yours :)
    • Faye6891
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      Originally posted by aanty2000
      sory ... the flop not the river .. it looked like a 2 3 contibet was ok in this situation . i had a big hand and i was big favourite ... didnt see a reason to scare him with a pot size cb
      I usually contibet 3/4 or 4/5 on the flop. And since there are two cards to come, a lot of players on flush draws will keep chasing to this bet. But potsize I think is more likely to scare though.
    • aciddrop
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      Since we have top pair here, with a flush draw, doesn't our check on the river offer this pot to villain, since we actively bet into the first two streets? Maybe a block bet/fold on the river could be better action here?
    • Faye6891
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      Originally posted by aciddrop
      Since we have top pair here, with a flush draw, doesn't our check on the river offer this pot to villain, since we actively bet into the first two streets? Maybe a block bet/fold on the river could be better action here?
      I thought about blockbetting too... but then I saw the stack size... If he blockbets and villain pushes, he's commited.

      EDIT: Unless he makes a ridiculously small bet
    • aciddrop
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      Maybe $3 as a block bet, and fold to this big move if it still comes.

      We have bet flop and turn as though we are protecting against a FD. We actually have top pair, along with the second nut flush draw. Maybe villain has a T, in which case his flop call was a mistake, maybe he has something good, maybe he has the nut FD. Whatever. The flush doesn't come, and suddenly we don't bet the river, and it looks like we have missed the flush. He makes this big move, and we give it up. This feels a bit soft to me.
    • Kaitz20
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      3 $ bet is bad. That shows that we are uncertain that our hand is bad and he could push with missed flush draw. I would play that hand check/fold to push or the river or check/call half the pot size bet.
    • aanty2000
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      i bet 3 in a 15 pot ? this looks weak too
    • chenny8888
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      could block-bet ~$5. it's high enough to look like a value-bet to beginner (exact same size as turnbet)... same reasons you say above, a c/f is just too weak. plus it doesn't quite commit you (well technically it does but it's quite marginal...)
    • Faye6891
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      Originally posted by chenny8888
      could block-bet ~$5. it's high enough to look like a value-bet to beginner (exact same size as turnbet)... same reasons you say above, a c/f is just too weak. plus it doesn't quite commit you (well technically it does but it's quite marginal...)
      I thought about $5 too instead of $3... but it does commit you... as you said :P
    • chenny8888
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      i don't really believe that if you've committed half your stack to the pot by the river you're committed to the hand. with flop and turn play generally if you are behind, you can still donkout/suckout/hit your outs. with the river, you're obviously either beat or have it.

      if you've been watching your opponent at all you should be able to decide by the river a sort of hand-range he's on and how he'd play it. if you then bet out a nice big amount (5$) and he re-raises you, make a decision from there (ie not insta-call). the way i look at it, a 5$ bet gives you great pot odds to keep the pot from getting stolen from you by a pure bluff.

      what do the rest of you think, btw? i'm not a cash game player but i'd like to see if this would be the right play
    • Kaitz20
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    • aanty2000
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      poker is about making good decisions on every street in every situation . i think it is wrong to bet large when you know you are beat and you are preaty sure he will shove just in order to get the ods to call his shove .
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