[NL2-NL10] nl10 33 calling for set mining

    • ockerdoc
      ockerdoc
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      UTG+1: $2.85 - VPIP: 5, PFR: 5, 3B: 1, AF: 1.5, Hands: 221
      UTG+2: $2.85 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 11, 3B: 2, AF: Infinity, Hands: 182
      Hero (MP1): $10.00 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 2.4, Hands: 8588
      MP2: $15.23 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 15, 3B: 11, AF: 3.0, Hands: 87
      MP3: $10.00 - VPIP: 100, PFR: 0, 3B: NaN, AF: Infinity, Hands: 1
      CO: $10.71 - VPIP: 7, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 123
      BTN: $3.15 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 18, 3B: 11, AF: 10.0, Hands: 152
      SB: $19.47 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 71
      BB: $14.03 - VPIP: 8, PFR: 5, 3B: 2, AF: 6.6, Hands: 635
      UTG: $10.15 - VPIP: 5, PFR: 5, 3B: 1, AF: 1.5, Hands: 221

      MP3 posts a big blind ($0.10)

      Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero is MP1 with 3:club: 3:heart:
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, MP2 raises to $1.50, MP3 calls $1.40, 4 folds, Hero calls $1.05

      Flop: ($4.65) A:club: 9:heart: 3:diamond: (3 players)
      Hero checks, MP2 bets $3.00, MP3 raises to $8.50, Hero calls $8.50, MP2 folds

      Turn: ($24.65) T:club: (2 players)

      River: ($24.65) 9:diamond: (2 players)

      Is it ok to call here and see if i can hit my set? i'm calling an extra £1.05 into a pot of £3.35.....the implied odds are great here i think
  • 9 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello ockerdoc,

      It's not much to do with the pot ratio : call, you also have to take into account villains stack. We are getting the odds 11,5:1 or something similar, and therefore it's very close actually. We have to be very sure that he is going broke with his hand postflop if we do hit. More often I'd just fold since also sometimes the set of 33-s might not be that strong, since we are in multiway pot. Actually the rule says to Call20 and we are only getting 11,5. Although it's doable if you know that we are getting in the money.

      Best regards.
    • ockerdoc
      ockerdoc
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      Hi Veriz

      Thanks for the reply, can you explain the 11.5:1 odds please i don't understand where you get that value from?

      Cheers
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by ockerdoc
      Hi Veriz

      Thanks for the reply, can you explain the 11.5:1 odds please i don't understand where you get that value from?

      Cheers
      Yeah, you calculate it this way:
      1) You need the total pot preflop, Pot = 3,6
      2) You need to know villain stack, Villain Stack = 10 (In this you should also take your stack into consideration for example if you had bigger stack and he also does or doesn't)
      3) Villains Raise = 1,5
      4) Villain Effective Stack without the raise = 8,5
      5) For us to Call = 1,05

      6) Odds = (Pot+Effective Stack/V_Effective_Stack)/To_Call = 11,5:1

      Ain't a problem if you don't understand such calculations on early micros, they aren't that important anyway since you can't do the calculations in game. Hopefully it helped somehow. :)
    • ockerdoc
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      Gotcha that makes sense thanks Veriz. Sorry but can you explain the Call20 i know its 20 times the initial raise. So in this situation he re-raised £1.50,call20 means he would have a £30 stack, is this correct?

      Thanks again
    • crodady
      crodady
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      Originally posted by ockerdoc
      Gotcha that makes sense thanks Veriz. Sorry but can you explain the Call20 i know its 20 times the initial raise. So in this situation he re-raised £1.50,call20 means he would have a £30 stack, is this correct?

      Thanks again
      yes it is mate...formula is like you think : initial raise x 20


      GL
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by ockerdoc
      Gotcha that makes sense thanks Veriz. Sorry but can you explain the Call20 i know its 20 times the initial raise. So in this situation he re-raised £1.50,call20 means he would have a £30 stack, is this correct?

      Thanks again
      Yeps, that's correct.
    • albionpro
      albionpro
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      I am curious about these odds to call, I think I am working it out wrong...

      odds=(pot/V_Effective_Stack)/To_Call = 11.5

      odds=(3.6/8.5)/1.05 = (0.42)/1.05 = 0.4

      What have I done wrong here?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by albionpro
      I am curious about these odds to call, I think I am working it out wrong...

      odds=(pot/V_Effective_Stack)/To_Call = 11.5

      odds=(3.6/8.5)/1.05 = (0.42)/1.05 = 0.4

      What have I done wrong here?
      Oh sorry, I didn't mention that pot = + Villain_Effective stack too. Try calculating again. :)
    • albionpro
      albionpro
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      Originally posted by veriz
      Originally posted by albionpro
      I am curious about these odds to call, I think I am working it out wrong...

      odds=(pot/V_Effective_Stack)/To_Call = 11.5

      odds=(3.6/8.5)/1.05 = (0.42)/1.05 = 0.4

      What have I done wrong here?
      Oh sorry, I didn't mention that pot = + Villain_Effective stack too. Try calculating again. :)
      spot on. 11.52380952:1 to be precise :D thanks for clearing that up!