# [NL2-NL10] SHC modificaton

• Bronze
Joined: 11.11.2010
UTG+1 is a 70/20 player.
According to SHC with two raises preflop, we only push with KK+, but I believe that I had EV+.

PartyGaming - \$0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP+1: \$3.99
CO: \$2.00
BTN: \$2.00
Hero (SB): \$1.75
BB: \$3.43
UTG: \$2.00
UTG+1: \$2.10
MP: \$2.00

Hero posts SB \$0.05, BB posts BB \$0.10, CO posts DB \$0.10

Pre Flop: (\$0.25) Hero has K A

fold, UTG+1 raises to \$0.40, fold, fold, CO raises to \$2.00 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls \$1.70 and is all-in, fold, UTG+1 calls \$1.60

Flop: (\$5.85, 3 players) 8 5 J

Turn: (\$5.85, 3 players) K

River: (\$5.85, 3 players) 5
• 12 replies
• Bronze
Joined: 07.05.2008
You are only looking at UTG+1

The guy you should take note of is the CO so what are his stats?

- Gerv
• Bronze
Joined: 11.11.2010
No stats for CO
• Bronze
Joined: 07.05.2008
Originally posted by fotakis
No stats for CO

Ok then you should look at other things like if he multitables, reads, tells etc.etc.

So in other words: can you give me more info on this villain in order to justify a deviation without a gambling element?
• Bronze
Joined: 11.11.2010
In a small sample (100 hands) CO is 8/7. Could you please explain to me why he is more important than the UTG+1?
• Bronze
Joined: 16.11.2007
Hey fotakis,

Originally posted by fotakis
In a small sample (100 hands) CO is 8/7. Could you please explain to me why he is more important than the UTG+1?
CO is 3-betting(shoving) in this case and his range is much tighter than UTG's and he is actually the player you will play against if you call because he is all-in while UTG might still fold or call if he has a strong hand.

And 8/7 even after 100 hands is a sign for a very tight player who will at most 3-bet AK/JJ+ here, so calculate your equity against that range and the equity you need and you'll find out why your call was -EV.

Regards,
burek2000
• Bronze
Joined: 06.05.2008
assuming over a large sample we see that CO is indeed a 8/7 player (lets assume a 3bet of 3% (JJ+,AKs,AKo) against which our AKo is 60/40 dog... i agree that vs this player, calling AKo is -ev for 17bb, but my question is, at what stack size can we say this is a neutral ev or even a plus EV decision? or our stack size never matters in this particular hand since CO made his decision before we acted?
• Bronze
Joined: 08.03.2009
Originally posted by AlCaTrAzzALZ
assuming over a large sample we see that CO is indeed a 8/7 player (lets assume a 3bet of 3% (JJ+,AKs,AKo) against which our AKo is 60/40 dog... i agree that vs this player, calling AKo is -ev for 17bb, but my question is, at what stack size can we say this is a neutral ev or even a plus EV decision? or our stack size never matters in this particular hand since CO made his decision before we acted?
What is the needed pot eq with a stack size of 4xbb, 10xbb, etc?

Calculate it and see with which stack sizes you play (rebuy to max).

T.
• Bronze
Joined: 07.05.2008
With 14bb you have a EV of +0.5bb (ES 1.5, deadmoney 0.85%, PEQ 39.8%)
• Global
Joined: 17.02.2011
Originally posted by Gerv
With 14bb you have a EV of +0.5bb (ES 1.5, deadmoney 0.85%, PEQ 39.8%)
How could I find it?

Regards
• Bronze
Joined: 07.05.2008
EV = Pot*Foldequity + (1-Foldequity)[(eff.Stack+Deadmoney)*Equity – (eff.Stack*(1-Equity))]

This is the formula i use.

For excel use
=D111*D119+(1-D119)*((D113+D115)*D117-(D113*(1-D117)))
• Global
Joined: 17.02.2011
Originally posted by Gerv
EV = Pot*Foldequity + (1-Foldequity)[(eff.Stack+Deadmoney)*Equity – (eff.Stack*(1-Equity))]

This is the formula i use.

For excel use
=D111*D119+(1-D119)*((D113+D115)*D117-(D113*(1-D117)))
nice! I think it's kind of the same formula but without foldequity

Originally posted by Gerv
With 14bb you have a EV of +0.5bb (ES 1.5, deadmoney 0.85%, PEQ 39.8%)
I didn't get the 0,85 deadmoney. Would it be the UTG open raise (considering he will always fold for simplification) + the big blind (no rake discounted for simplification). So 0,40 + 0,10 = 0,50? Where I'm I missing it?