'kk'-Hand played badly(cautiously) or good???

    • shehanshah
      shehanshah
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.12.2010 Posts: 385
      So it was early in the tournament and i was moved to this table wiv a donk and i didnt know how he played, so kinda played this hand a bit cautiously!! i put him on a draw and let him bet n i will just call him down n win the pot. But what did i know lol..Posting the hand below..By the way I play as pradybillu

      PokerStars Game #56775057852: Tournament #404010426, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2011/01/30 0:12:45 IST [2011/01/29 13:42:45 ET]
      Table '404010426 181' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
      Seat 1: pradybillu (4043 in chips)
      Seat 2: Antonio0077 (3000 in chips)
      Seat 3: loucontois (2945 in chips)
      Seat 4: rapblHbl4^ (6800 in chips)
      Seat 5: POROPIN (2850 in chips)
      Seat 6: cismasbogdan (6385 in chips)
      Seat 7: SDA1983 (3400 in chips)
      Seat 8: scaggy (2405 in chips) is sitting out
      Seat 9: elniño7 (4707 in chips)
      cismasbogdan: posts small blind 25
      SDA1983: posts big blind 50
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to pradybillu [Kd Kc]
      scaggy: folds
      elniño7: folds
      pradybillu: raises 150 to 200
      Antonio0077: folds
      loucontois: folds
      rapblHbl4^: folds
      POROPIN: folds
      cismasbogdan: folds
      SDA1983: calls 150
      *** FLOP *** [9d 6d 2h]
      SDA1983: bets 200
      pradybillu: calls 200
      *** TURN *** [9d 6d 2h] [7c]
      SDA1983: bets 200
      pradybillu: calls 200
      *** RIVER *** [9d 6d 2h 7c] [Ad]
      scaggy has returned
      SDA1983: bets 500
      pradybillu: calls 500
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      SDA1983: shows [8h Ac] (a pair of Aces)
      pradybillu: mucks hand
      SDA1983 collected 2225 from pot
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 2225 | Rake 0
      Board [9d 6d 2h 7c Ad]
      Seat 1: pradybillu mucked [Kd Kc]
      Seat 2: Antonio0077 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 3: loucontois folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 4: rapblHbl4^ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 5: POROPIN (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 6: cismasbogdan (small blind) folded before Flop
      Seat 7: SDA1983 (big blind) showed [8h Ac] and won (2225) with a pair of Aces
      Seat 8: scaggy folded before Flop (didn't bet)


      The next two hands goes sumfin like this

      PokerStars Game #56775140882: Tournament #404010426, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2011/01/30 0:14:15 IST [2011/01/29 13:44:15 ET]
      Table '404010426 181' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
      Seat 1: pradybillu (2943 in chips)
      Seat 2: Antonio0077 (3000 in chips)
      Seat 3: loucontois (2945 in chips)
      Seat 4: rapblHbl4^ (6800 in chips)
      Seat 5: POROPIN (2850 in chips)
      Seat 6: cismasbogdan (6435 in chips)
      Seat 7: SDA1983 (4500 in chips)
      Seat 8: scaggy (2355 in chips)
      Seat 9: elniño7 (4707 in chips)
      scaggy: posts small blind 25
      elniño7: posts big blind 50
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to pradybillu [7d 4s]
      pradybillu: folds
      Antonio0077: folds
      loucontois: raises 75 to 125
      rapblHbl4^: folds
      POROPIN: folds
      cismasbogdan: calls 125
      SDA1983: calls 125
      scaggy: folds
      elniño7: folds
      *** FLOP *** [7s 6c Ts]
      loucontois: bets 300
      cismasbogdan: raises 350 to 650
      SDA1983: calls 650
      loucontois: calls 350
      *** TURN *** [7s 6c Ts] [5s]
      loucontois: checks
      cismasbogdan: bets 5660 and is all-in
      SDA1983: calls 3725 and is all-in
      loucontois: folds
      Uncalled bet (1935) returned to cismasbogdan
      *** RIVER *** [7s 6c Ts 5s] [5h]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      cismasbogdan: shows [Th Kc] (two pair, Tens and Fives)
      SDA1983: shows [3s Qs] (a flush, Queen high)
      SDA1983 collected 9850 from pot
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 9850 | Rake 0
      Board [7s 6c Ts 5s 5h]
      Seat 1: pradybillu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 2: Antonio0077 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 3: loucontois folded on the Turn
      Seat 4: rapblHbl4^ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 5: POROPIN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 6: cismasbogdan showed [Th Kc] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fives
      Seat 7: SDA1983 (button) showed [3s Qs] and won (9850) with a flush, Queen high
      Seat 8: scaggy (small blind) folded before Flop
      Seat 9: elniño7 (big blind) folded before Flop

      PokerStars Game #56775210941: Tournament #404010426, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2011/01/30 0:15:28 IST [2011/01/29 13:45:28 ET]
      Table '404010426 181' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
      Seat 1: pradybillu (2943 in chips)
      Seat 2: Antonio0077 (3000 in chips)
      Seat 3: loucontois (2170 in chips)
      Seat 4: rapblHbl4^ (6800 in chips)
      Seat 5: POROPIN (2850 in chips)
      Seat 6: cismasbogdan (1935 in chips)
      Seat 7: SDA1983 (9850 in chips)
      Seat 8: scaggy (2330 in chips)
      Seat 9: elniño7 (4657 in chips)
      elniño7: posts small blind 50
      pradybillu: posts big blind 100
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to pradybillu [Qd Ts]
      Antonio0077: calls 100
      loucontois: calls 100
      rapblHbl4^: folds
      POROPIN: folds
      cismasbogdan: folds
      SDA1983: raises 200 to 300
      scaggy: folds
      elniño7: raises 650 to 950
      pradybillu: folds
      Antonio0077: folds
      loucontois: folds
      SDA1983: calls 650
      *** FLOP *** [8d Qs Js]
      elniño7: bets 1600
      SDA1983: raises 1600 to 3200
      elniño7: raises 507 to 3707 and is all-in
      SDA1983: calls 507
      *** TURN *** [8d Qs Js] [4d]
      *** RIVER *** [8d Qs Js 4d] [Kd]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      elniño7: shows [Ad Ac] (a pair of Aces)
      SDA1983: shows [Qc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
      SDA1983 collected 9614 from pot
      elniño7 finished the tournament in 3602nd place
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 9614 | Rake 0
      Board [8d Qs Js 4d Kd]
      Seat 1: pradybillu (big blind) folded before Flop
      Seat 2: Antonio0077 folded before Flop
      Seat 3: loucontois folded before Flop
      Seat 4: rapblHbl4^ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 5: POROPIN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 6: cismasbogdan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 7: SDA1983 showed [Qc Kh] and won (9614) with two pair, Kings and Queens
      Seat 8: scaggy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 9: elniño7 (small blind) showed [Ad Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces

      I really feel bad about the other players and my play.. Do u think i just gave him the guts to think that he can win with whatever cards he has got????
      Please post your comments on wht u think???
  • 8 replies
    • LONGPLAY66
      LONGPLAY66
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.05.2009 Posts: 228
      hard to imagine you could have played those kings any worse than you did,a standard pre flop raise online will be called by people with very marginal hands and then your flop and turn flat calls ?( are quite abysmal to be honest...i would have raised 300 pre flop and if he still calls(unlikely) then re raise his flop bet big time because you know he's missed that flop completely if he has called 300 pre flop...so the hand is over either on the flop or more likely pre flop.
    • wasy8
      wasy8
      Black
      Joined: 29.01.2009 Posts: 1,507
      your logic doesnt make any sense.

      if you are putting him on a draw, raising him will not make him fold. therefore you should be raising him for value against draws.
    • Alficor1
      Alficor1
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      Joined: 16.06.2010 Posts: 7,291
      Is there any force in this world that prevents you from using hand converter?
    • LONGPLAY66
      LONGPLAY66
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      Joined: 17.05.2009 Posts: 228
      i'm raising him to take down a tidy little pot thus ruling out any outdraws that could end up busting me out....i'd rather take down a succession of smallish pots consistently than end up being one of the many thousands of players who are consistently hating their life after yet another "i was value betting him the whole way and he ended up busting me on the river when his 43 off(wtf) hit.
    • Daenerys
      Daenerys
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      Joined: 29.09.2007 Posts: 111
      Originally posted by LONGPLAY66
      i'm raising him to take down a tidy little pot thus ruling out any outdraws that could end up busting me out....i'd rather take down a succession of smallish pots consistently than end up being one of the many thousands of players who are consistently hating their life after yet another "i was value betting him the whole way and he ended up busting me on the river when his 43 off(wtf) hit.
      thats not correct attitude or play im afraid
    • shehanshah
      shehanshah
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      Joined: 02.12.2010 Posts: 385
      I completely agree wiv u guys and a raise to 500-600 on the flop is standard for me as well, but i didnt do it for a few reasons, please say otherwise if i was wrong there too,

      -I was new to the table and didnt hv a read on the guy, and didnt want to bust out for one hand so early, just in case he had a set.

      -the turn brought a '7' by which he now had an open ended str8 draw or culd hv even completed his str8, by the way he had a/7 and he would have surely put more chips on the turn had i raised him(Reason- If u see the third hand where he busted another guy carrying aces wiv q/k unsuited even after he raised to 950 from 300.)

      -Lol i had just busted on 454th from a tourney when only 440 ppl were gettin paid, wiv 'kk' having 54k with blinds 1k/2k to a set of 3's made on the flop by a bigger stack donk( I raised to 8K,but still he calls my raise with 33).

      Thanks for all the suggestions though.
    • shehanshah
      shehanshah
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      Joined: 02.12.2010 Posts: 385
      Originally posted by Daenerys
      Originally posted by LONGPLAY66
      i'm raising him to take down a tidy little pot thus ruling out any outdraws that could end up busting me out....i'd rather take down a succession of smallish pots consistently than end up being one of the many thousands of players who are consistently hating their life after yet another "i was value betting him the whole way and he ended up busting me on the river when his 43 off(wtf) hit.
      thats not correct attitude or play im afraid
      @daenerys - Please say sumfin more lol, wuld be happy to take ur advice too..:)
    • fuzzyfish
      fuzzyfish
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      Joined: 12.01.2010 Posts: 862
      Originally posted by shehanshah
      i put him on a draw and let him bet n i will just call him down n win the pot.
      A fine piece of satire. Keep it comin', these donks thinks you are for real :D