[NL2-NL10] NL50 FR - AA (missed value bet)

    • Faye6891
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      Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25/$0.50BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

      MP2 ($84.18)
      MP3 ($56.35)
      CO ($10.00)
      Button ($46.95)
      SB ($24.10)
      BB ($48.50)
      UTG ($24.27)
      UTG+1 ($37.40)
      UTG+2 ($86.99)
      MP1 ($50.00) (Hero)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A:diamond: , A:heart:
      UTG calls $0.50, 1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, MP2 calls $2.50, 5 folds, UTG calls $2.00, 1 folds

      Flop: 2:diamond: , 9:spade: , J:club: ( $8.75 )
      UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks,

      The board is not too dangerous, so I decided to check for pot control.

      Turn: 3:diamond: ( $8.75 )
      UTG checks, Hero bets $5.80, 1 folds, UTG calls $5.80,

      River: Q:club: ( $20.35 )
      UTG checks, Hero checks,

      I think I missed a valuebet here in the end.
  • 24 replies
    • chenny8888
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      i agree, but i don't think (donkey) villain was calling with his busted flush draw
    • rubysilesia
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      I think that a check on the flop is a big mistake here. U got descent hand that u still have to protect (giving 2 players a freecard in a raised pot will cost u a lot of money in the long run). By checking u miss value, protection and u get no information.
    • Bielanek
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      IMHO Bet on flop of course. You gave free card to 3 players... Flop wasn't dangerosus, but Turn could be.

      Sorry for my English, but I'm beginner.
    • helemaalnicks
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      Originally posted by Bielanek
      IMHO Bet on flop of course. You gave free card to 3 players... Flop wasn't dangerosus, but Turn could be.

      Sorry for my English, but I'm beginner.
      despite that, you are 100% right! J92 rainbow is not dangerous at all, except if villain shown you his cards, and they were j9 or 92 or j2 or jj, 99 or 22.
    • Gungunhana
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      Don´t slow play a medium made hand, on a drawy board .
      Should have bet the flop $7.The board is dangerous, you have a straight draw.
      As played,I would have bet the river about $10
    • Laurenz1988
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      Bet flop and check the turn behind to induce bluffs + pot control. Dont check the flop
    • Faye6891
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      Originally posted by Bielanek
      IMHO Bet on flop of course. You gave free card to 3 players... Flop wasn't dangerosus, but Turn could be.

      Sorry for my English, but I'm beginner.
      I had only 2 opponents... not 3 :P

      What do you mean by the turn could be dangerous?
    • helemaalnicks
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      What do you mean by the turn could be dangerous?


      if the turn comes 10, you are f-ed. Cause many players fancy playing 78 or KQ.
    • Faye6891
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      So, I'd bet the flop and check turn? I certainly can't bet out all three streets.
    • helemaalnicks
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      Originally posted by Faye6891
      So, I'd bet the flop and check turn? I certainly can't bet out all three streets.
      why not?

      you want that guy to call you, who says after the showdown: "i thought you were bluffing", i love those :heart:

      they will often put you on aq or ak, rule out the aces, i see that so often, its not even funny anymore.
    • Faye6891
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      I'm not playing my entire stack with that hand. IMO, most of the time, only a better hand will be willing to play for their stacks.
    • helemaalnicks
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      Originally posted by Faye6891
      I'm not playing my entire stack with that hand. IMO, most of the time, only a better hand will be willing to play for their stacks.
      who said you had to play your entire stack? Just protect against draws, by raising 1/2 on flop and 4th, and blockbet the river. You bet 2/3 on 4th, that wasn't necessary if you put in 1/2 on the flop.

      8.75 on the flop, you bet 400, then one caller (or none, but not 3, for shure!) and then you bet 8 on 4th, so you put in 12$ in total, thats not a lot for aces.

      If youre so scared of losing with bullets, you should limp for setvalue, otherwise youll be outdrawn A LOT if you play like this...
    • Faye6891
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      Originally posted by helemaalnicks
      Originally posted by Faye6891
      I'm not playing my entire stack with that hand. IMO, most of the time, only a better hand will be willing to play for their stacks.
      who said you had to play your entire stack? Just protect against draws, by raising 1/2 on flop and 4th, and blockbet the river. You bet 2/3 on 4th, that wasn't necessary if you put in 1/2 on the flop.

      8.75 on the flop, you bet 400, then one caller (or none, but not 3, for shure!) and then you bet 8 on 4th, so you put in 12$ in total, thats not a lot for aces.

      If youre so scared of losing with bullets, you should limp for setvalue, otherwise youll be outdrawn A LOT if you play like this...
      Of course I can't get three callers on the flop, I only have two opponents! LOL! :D

      No, $12 is not a lot to play here, but I wasn't thinking about a 1/2 pot bet on the flop.
    • helemaalnicks
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      No, $12 is not a lot to play here, but I wasn't thinking about a 1/2 pot bet on the flop.


      thats the best bet there imo. I only bet 2/3 on monchrome or 2flush boards, or very obvious straight draws.
    • rubysilesia
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      U should remember that 29J board is not completely draw dry. Not only that there is a straight draw possibility (not very likely) also there might be a number of backdoor draws. Whats more important one or both players could have a pair (people tend to limp mid card hands) which draws to 2 pair or trips. Your hand has a vary weak improvement potential (2 outs) therefore it needs protection. I would bet both flop and turn and a small value bet on the river.
    • Faye6891
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      Originally posted by rubysilesia
      U should remember that 29J board is not completely draw dry. Not only that there is a straight draw possibility (not very likely) also there might be a number of backdoor draws. Whats more important one or both players could have a pair (people tend to limp mid card hands) which draws to 2 pair or trips. Your hand has a vary weak improvement potential (2 outs) therefore it needs protection. I would bet both flop and turn and a small value bet on the river.
      How much would you bet on each street?
    • rubysilesia
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      2/3rd pot on the flop, 1/2 pot on the turn and small value bet on the river (the same size as on the turn).
    • helemaalnicks
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      Originally posted by rubysilesia
      2/3rd pot on the flop, 1/2 pot on the turn and small value bet on the river (the same size as on the turn).
      why 2/3 on the flop? If they are drawing for either the straight or 2 pair, they are making a mistake by calling 1/2. So betting 1/2 makes you sklansky dollars already, because you induce wrong calls. So why bet more?
    • rubysilesia
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      I would bet 2/3rd pot because I would cbet the same having over cards. This way I'm not readable.
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