[NL2-NL10] AJo - Flushdraw against a raise

    • Gremlin68
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      Position:
      Stack
      MP2:
      $23.06
      UTG:
      $16.55
      Hero:
      $4.65

      0.10/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com. 15.12.07

      Preflop: Hero is BU with J:heart: , A:club:
      UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.50, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1.50.

      Flop: ($5.85) K:heart: , 7:heart: , 4:heart: (3 players)
      UTG bets $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.90 (All-In), UTG calls $2.40, MP2 calls $2.40.

        All In with the flush draw here ok or laydown against the raise? I think it's close, but the pot is big, I'm getting more than 2:1 for my money and have maybe 9 outs for my flush draw and maybe three outs for my A, even the A of h would do.

      Turn: ($14.55) A:heart: (2 players)
      UTG checks, MP2 bets $5, UTG folds.

      River: ($19.55) 7:club:


      Final Pot: $19.55
  • 10 replies
    • Utahmar
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      I dont think its a good idea to draw to J high flush against 2 other player.
    • xylere
      xylere
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      Given the pot odds its ok. You have to discount some outs... I would say you have around 7 (in total) and that is just enough to push...
    • Utahmar
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      Maybe this is why my went to showdown is low :D
    • xylere
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      Originally posted by Utahmar
      Maybe this is why my went to showdown is low :D
      Maybe this is why mine is too high :D

      I`ll play with this hand in equilator a bit later.
    • Utahmar
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      I imagine us sitting on Gremlin68 shoulders, im on left whispering fooold, you from right puuush :D
    • AndreMG
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      When I first read the hand I tought it would be nice to push.

      The pot is 5,85$ on flop, plus 1$ they bet. So around 7$
      The hero stack is now 2,90$.

      I would put one opfthe players in a flush draw ( better than J ) and the other on a weak king maybe. They would reraise or bet more with the made flush.

      So my tought is, Nice pot odds, but uncertain drawing. I would fold now.
    • Gremlin68
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      it was definitely the most upsetting hand this session after the river. only a queen of h could beat me. and he thought and thought..... don't know when i waited so long for a decision last time. I think I woke some neibourghs when i saw he hadn't the Qh. He had the Th. Very close as all of the hand
    • Gremlin68
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      Originally posted by xylere
      Originally posted by Utahmar
      Maybe this is why my went to showdown is low :D
      Maybe this is why mine is too high :D

      I`ll play with this hand in equilator a bit later.
      please let me know yr results, I didn't have the time to do by now
    • xylere
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      I would put one opfthe players in a flush draw ( better than J ) and the other on a weak king maybe. They would reraise or bet more with the made flush.



      If we assume this, we have: (another player is holding Qh flush draw)

      7% equity if he has Kx
      13% equity if he has TT or lower

      we need 1/(4+1) = 20% equity.

      If one of them, who is holding Kx, or any pocket pair TT- folds, than our equity raises to 57% (against Qh) and with 3:1 pot odds we need 25%. So under this assumption the question is: will our fold equity cover the gap between 13% and 20%?

      The problem is there are too many possible hands, that can be way ahead and against them we have no fold equity (QQ, JJ, etc)
    • helemaalnicks
      helemaalnicks
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      The problem is there are too many possible hands, that can be way ahead and against them we have no fold equity (QQ, JJ, etc)


      errrm, with such preflop action, sorry, don't think so.