[NL2-NL10] Monster draw all in on flop

    • gustamaneh
      Joined: 04.09.2007 Posts: 84
      was it incorrect to call?

      Party Poker
      No Limit Holdem Ring game
      Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
      9 players

      Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with J K
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, 2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

      Flop: A 7 T ($1.25, 3 players)
      BB bets $1.5, Hero calls, CO raises all-in $9.7, BB calls, Hero calls all-in $8.09.

      Turn: 5 ($30.24, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $30.02, Sidepot 1: $0.22)

      River: 2 ($30.24, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $30.02, Sidepot 1: $0.22)

      Final pot: $30.24
  • 5 replies
    • xylere
      Joined: 27.05.2007 Posts: 2,939

      its a wrong forum) we play SSS here)

      fold pre-flop as far as I know. Both calls on flop are fine, imo
      you have additional gutshot outs, so 2:1 are enough to go...
    • gustamaneh
      Joined: 04.09.2007 Posts: 84
      sry for posting in wrong forum, but thnx for the help =)
    • SonicXT
      Joined: 15.06.2007 Posts: 4,736

      Equity against one opponent
      - Flush draw : 60 %
      - Pair of aces : 43 %
      - Double pair : 41 %
      - Set : 33 %

      Pot odds 18.93 of to 8.09 or about 2.3 to 1, which is a clear call if you're the one the draw.
    • helemaalnicks
      Joined: 21.09.2007 Posts: 7,195
      I'm about 100% sure that they called you a donkey for calling here. I don't like to raise 4x with KJs, but it's not very wrong. It's very marginal. Postflop:
      You have outs for the straight and the flush, and you complete one of them 48.10% of the time. The worse situation is if one of your opponents have KJ, because that wins you only half the pot, and leaves you with 11 outs, which will result in a 8.42% chance for half the pot, and 34.97% for the whole pot. That leaves you with a total chance of 41.72%. However, they may not be full outs.

      Let's review the pot odds. First: the initial oversized raise is callable. You have a 28.26% chance to hit the turn, and the opponent behind you will give you pot odds with a call, and otherwise there is plenty room for implied odds if you would hit your straight, and little, but still enough to hit the flush.

      Now the 809 for a 2193 pot. That is 1:2.71. Your outs give you 48.10%, but they aren't full outs.

      You need to win 26.9 of the time to win here. You have 0.338 to win against any set, and 0.311 against a set with a diamond. Against two pair, you have 0.405 chance to win, which is enough.

      You have to call here, because you have proper odds against anything. The only problem is, if someone holds the ace of diamonds, AND another diamond, because then you have 3 outs, and a 10.2% chance to win, or 13.45% if nobody has a set. So we have to fold if we are up against the Acehigh flush draw at least once every 3 times, and this is not realistic imo.

      But note that if bb folds, you also have to fold! This is because your hand has the characteristic to have good odds for multiway, but bad odds for 2-way pots. This is because you don't have proper odds against a set in this case, and also no odds against 2 pair.

      I'm sorry for the long post, just think this hand is very interesting!
    • gustamaneh
      Joined: 04.09.2007 Posts: 84
      no needto apologize man, thnz for ur point of view.
      helped a lot