Should I be able to get away from JJ here?

    • benfster
      benfster
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      Joined: 03.09.2010 Posts: 2
      Her donk lead on made me think she had a pocket pair below JJ or else a flush draw. Perhaps checking behind on turn is better?


      PokerStars Game #57099578241: Tournament #358190121, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2011/02/04 15:51:13 WET [2011/02/04 10:51:13 ET]
      Table '358190121 35' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
      Seat 1: ANNEPALMER (3330 in chips)
      Seat 2: moe86 (2945 in chips)
      Seat 3: zoks76 (2890 in chips)
      Seat 4: maltel (1167 in chips)
      Seat 5: benf1 (3592 in chips)
      Seat 6: bigmat4 (4140 in chips)
      Seat 7: max.m.7deiL (2905 in chips)
      Seat 8: boingboing25 (3121 in chips)
      Seat 9: reactive (2910 in chips)
      reactive: posts small blind 20
      ANNEPALMER: posts big blind 40
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to benf1 [Jh Jc]
      moe86: folds
      zoks76: folds
      maltel: folds
      benf1: raises 80 to 120
      bigmat4: folds
      max.m.7deiL: folds
      boingboing25: folds
      reactive: calls 100
      ANNEPALMER: calls 80
      *** FLOP *** [6h 2d 3d]
      reactive: checks
      ANNEPALMER: bets 280
      benf1: raises 360 to 640
      reactive: folds
      ANNEPALMER: calls 360
      *** TURN *** [6h 2d 3d] [7s]
      ANNEPALMER: checks
      benf1: bets 960
      ANNEPALMER: raises 960 to 1920
      benf1: raises 912 to 2832 and is all-in
      ANNEPALMER: calls 650 and is all-in
      Uncalled bet (262) returned to benf1
      *** RIVER *** [6h 2d 3d 7s] [8s]
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      ANNEPALMER: shows [7d 7c] (three of a kind, Sevens)
      benf1: shows [Jh Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
      ANNEPALMER collected 6780 from pot
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 6780 | Rake 0
      Board [6h 2d 3d 7s 8s]
      Seat 1: ANNEPALMER (big blind) showed [7d 7c] and won (6780) with three of a kind, Sevens
      Seat 2: moe86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 3: zoks76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 4: maltel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 5: benf1 showed [Jh Jc] and lost with a pair of Jacks
      Seat 6: bigmat4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 7: max.m.7deiL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 8: boingboing25 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 9: reactive (small blind) folded on the Flop
  • 4 replies
    • M1k1c4
      M1k1c4
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.05.2010 Posts: 5
      I can only say - next time use hand converter so we can see the hand properly. :D

      PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 8.8 Tournament, 20/40 Blinds (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      BB (t3330)
      UTG (t2945)
      UTG+1 (t2890)
      MP1 (t1167)
      Hero (MP2) (t3592)
      MP3 (t4140)
      CO (t2905)
      Button (t3121)
      SB (t2910)

      Hero's M: 59.87

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, J
      3 folds, Hero bets t120, 3 folds, SB calls t100, BB calls t80

      Flop: (t360) 6, 2, 3 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB bets t280, Hero raises to t640, 1 fold, BB calls t360

      Turn: (t1640) 7 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets t960, BB raises to t1920, Hero raises to t2832 (All-In), BB calls t650 (All-In)

      River: (t6780) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Total pot: t6780
    • benfster
      benfster
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.09.2010 Posts: 2
      Sorry. Will do. First time poster.
    • Meemawuk
      Meemawuk
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      Joined: 27.05.2009 Posts: 758
      Should also be posting it in the SNG evaluation thread for proper feedback.

      Your flop raise give her a decent price to draw if she has diamonds or 2 overs + diamonds. I would have raised more probably.

      The turn action looks pretty scary to me, like at worst some kind of pair + FD hand maybe A7d, but also could be 22 33 66 77 88 99 TT. Its unlikely she's decided to just flat the flop with the intention of check shoving the turn with a straight/flush draw when her equity is smaller.

      I'm probably folding to the turn check-raise because her line is so strong. I'm not entirely sure about checking back either because you need to protect against the FD since the price she got on the flop was pretty good and this can make up a decent part of her range, and there a lot of cards that suck on the river making the board more straight/flushy, and it difficult to call many river bets.

      Hopefully this will get moved to the correct thread and get reviewed by a coach! And in the meanntime maybe I've given you something to think about. These threads are awesome for thinking through situations so don't be shy to post again! :-)
    • BadeaCelRau
      BadeaCelRau
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      Joined: 15.10.2010 Posts: 2,122
      Betting relatively small on turn was a good choice to see where you're at. On raise you should fold. You initially had a stack of 90BB and an overpair it's just not what you're looking for to get allin, especially since you gave your opponent a cheap price to call and he might already be ahead or have many outs against you. Even a fish or a maniac who reraises you there will have two pairs or a set.