[NL20-NL50] Nl 20 blind battles

    • Sasa1234
      Sasa1234
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.05.2008 Posts: 298
      IPoker Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

      BTN: $48.66
      SB: $20.00
      Hero (BB): $40.04
      UTG: $9.66
      CO: $24.89

      Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BB with T :spade: T :diamond:
      3 folds, SB raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.80, SB raises to $5, Hero calls $3.20

      Flop: ($10.00) 5 :spade: Q :heart: 9 :club: (2 players)
      SB bets $5.80, Hero calls $5.80

      Turn: ($21.60) 2 :diamond: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($21.60) A :spade: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Villain 3bet lightly and had 7.4 4bet range overall
      I thought if I shove its overplayed(he probably wont call with worse) but folding seems too weak...
  • 3 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      In spots like this is good to know some equities.

      For example if you were to stack off vs his nut range, and let's assume thats AK, QQ+ you are a 36.4% dog.

      So, for the sake of the argument, if you were to shove and he would always call (meaning he never 4bet bluffs and has the range mentioned above) you'd need roughly 46.4% equity.

      Now that we know that we can calculate the FE required for our shove to be profitable given that range.

      0.364 * $21.80 = $7.935
      0.636 * $18.20 = $11.575
      ---------------------------------
      xxxxxxxxxxxxxx = -$3.640 (the amount of money we'd lose on average if he never folded w/ the above mentioned range).

      FE required = 3.64 / (3.64 + 6.80) = 3.64 / 10.44 = 0.3486 or 34.86%

      Put in simpler words he needs to fold 1 in 3 times to your shove for it to be breakeven.

      If let's say his range is 99+, AQ+ for stacking off your equity is 44.25 so 2% off from breaking even which means that the FE required is minimal.


      So anyway, what does all this have to do with the hand?

      Well it shows us if we can 5-bet and show a profit given our assumptions. You have given very little info on him (ie: what have you seen him 4bet, have u seen him 4bet/fold, how does he play postflop, etc).

      I prefer a shove in a spot like this when I don't know how villain plays postflop (ie: where do you expect him to become honest, etc.) AND when I know he is very wide in 4-betting. Remember that when you shove TT here you don't do it because you are eager to get all the money in but rather because there's a good chance you will collect a good chunk of dead money. The collection of this dead money is what will make our play profitable or not.

      Now, a question for you. Why did you 3-bet the hand? I'm not saying it's a bad 3-bet, but I'm asking why we've done it? Expecting villain to call with worse, fold, or ?
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      nice analyze Bogdan. I´d personally would shove and not think too much about it. Sure I sometimes run into better hands and very often flipping against AK, but to able also to 3-bet Sb open with wider range than TT+/AK I like going all-in TT, since he can 4-bet bluff sometimes or he may also 4-bet/call with weaker pp-s, like 88/99
    • Sasa1234
      Sasa1234
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.05.2008 Posts: 298
      Thank you Bogdan, really informative post you wrote here.
      I 3-bet because I'm really ahead of his range, calling for set mining would be bad play and obv I cant fold TT.
      I also think that he could call with worse hands like suited connectors or Axs kinds of hand or small pp.