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[NL2-NL10] nl4 sh would you call river ?

    • theguy
      Joined: 16.07.2009 Posts: 215
      $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem
      4 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by

      CO pro_skazi ($2.94)
      BTN paokpaok_x ($4.38)
      SB reaperblue ($3.74)
      BB am1Iwinning ($4.12)

      Pre-Flop: ($0.06, 4 players)
      pro_skazi calls $0.04, paokpaok_x calls $0.04, reaperblue calls $0.04, am1Iwinning checks

      Flop: 6:club: 8:club: 8:heart: ($0.18, 4 players)
      reaperblue checks, am1Iwinning checks, pro_skazi checks, paokpaok_x checks

      Turn: 2:heart: ($0.18, 4 players)
      reaperblue checks, am1Iwinning checks, pro_skazi checks, paokpaok_x checks

      River: 9:club: ($0.18, 4 players)
      reaperblue bets $0.16, am1Iwinning calls $0.16, pro_skazi raises to $0.50, 1 fold, reaperblue calls $0.50, am1Iwinning folds

      Final Pot: $1.32
      pro_skazi shows

      reaperblue shows

      I had Q :club: 3 :club:

      soooo many times have I seen people slowplay in these multiway pots with fh + my flush is queen high. I knnow that I should probably raise the first bet but would you call as played ?
  • 3 replies
    • dallievas
      Joined: 30.11.2007 Posts: 822
      first I don't understand which player is hero and how he came in the pot.
      Here are the facts as I see them: we have mw pot with flush and paired board on the river.2 hands can beat us - A and K flush and full house or quads.We can beat lower flush and bad played trips or sometimes even overpair.I don't agree that "you should probably raise" here because thinking opp and bad opp often call you with better hand or you get push and what you do then?. So 2 options left: call and fold .We are getting pot odds after raise almost 3:1 (we need to win 1 of 4 times to be breakeven or 25%).
      Do some pokerstove (I put loosier ranges):
      Board: 6c 8c 8h 2h 9c

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 38.774% 38.77% 00.00% 430 0.00 { Qc3c }
      Hand 1: 00.000% 00.00% 00.00% 0 0.00 { QQ-TT, Ad8d, Ah8h, As8s, Kd8d, Kh8h, Ks8s, T8s, A8o }
      Hand 2: 61.226% 61.23% 00.00% 679 0.00 { 99-88, 66, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, Kc9c, Kc8c, Kc7c, Kc6c, Kc5c, Kc4c, Kc3c, Kc2c, Q9s+, JcTc, Jc9c, Jc8c, Jc7c, Jc6c, Jc5c, Jc4c, Jc3c, Jc2c, Tc9c, Tc8c, Tc7c, 98s, 9c7c, 9c6c, 8c7c, 8c6c, 8c5c, 7c6c, 7c5c, 7c4c, 6c5c, 6c4c, 6c3c, 6c2c, 5c4c, 5c3c, 5c2c, 4c3c, 4c2c, 3c2c, 98o }
      So we can have about 38% equity,we can call.
      Also we can do combos analysis (obviously I included more frequent of them):14 Axc +Kxc,6 combos of FH (66 and 99,I think 22 is often fold on flop) and some of lower flushes 8 combos + only 2 combos of trips ( most of them would not raise on this board).So us beat 66% (20/30total), we beat 33%. We can call.
      And last but not least is player type (how Barry says math is idiotic).If passive player or decent player raises ,then it's fold without nuts or very strong hand ( you have no nut flush and board is paired),if bad aggressive or overall aggressive and bluffy raises then it's call more often then fold.
      Excuse me for my graphomania attack. :D
    • theguy
      Joined: 16.07.2009 Posts: 215
      that's some serious stuff :D I doubt that I'd think it all through before the time ends. :f_biggrin:
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello theguy,

      For the reason that it's just a freeplay pot, I'd rather just Call and fold to the raise. Ain't worth fighting over freeplay pot and we don't have the nut-flush either. Also raising there is very thin but of course it's considerable but I'd rather just prefer to have a known opponent.

      Best regards.