[NL2-NL10] nl20 kj tough situation

    • aanty2000
      aanty2000
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      Joined: 22.10.2007 Posts: 484
      Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10/$0.20BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

      Button ($19.80) (Hero)
      SB ($3.06)
      BB ($25.22)
      MP2 ($15.59)
      MP3 ($19.70)
      CO ($27.58)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with K:spade: , J:spade:
      2 folds, CO calls $0.20, Hero raises to $1.00, 1 folds, BB calls $0.80, CO calls $0.80,

      Flop: 4:spade: , J:club: , K:club: ( $3.1 )
      BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $3.00, BB raises to $9.00, 1 folds, Hero raises All-In $18.8, BB calls $9.80,

      Turn: T:spade: ( $40.7 )


      River: 6:diamond: ( $40.7 )


      Final Pot: $39.7039.70
  • 7 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Why is it so though:) Only then if yoy believe that BB has set of 4-s and you have 4 out+ backdoor flushdraw.

      You bet out pot and he din´t min-raise you. Imo he has:
      a) straightflushdraw and believes that he is ahead against AK, AA and wants to play for stacks
      b) he has set of 4-s and plays that very aggressively.
      c) if he is loose, then he can overplay KQ, Jx, Kx, but without any reads I tend to believe a or b.

      So if you believe that he has set or straightflush draw then your fold equity is 0. Your fold eguity is very low even against flush draw and Kx. So on both cases you´re not ahead then why push.

      Question is if you can get away your hand if spade doesn´t come or you don´t hit your K or J. Very good players should fold against passive players their top two pairs.

      Generally nh and by pushing on the flop you don´t make big mistake.
    • aanty2000
      aanty2000
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      Joined: 22.10.2007 Posts: 484
      it is a push or fold situation ... i dont see any value in calling ... but he was 16 13 2 ... so i was preaty sure he had 44 ... but i still pushed hoping i was wrong ... i wasnt obviously ...
    • Thorsten77
      Thorsten77
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 12,896
      nh. If he has 44, then you can't change it, but he often has a weaker hand.
    • aanty2000
      aanty2000
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      Joined: 22.10.2007 Posts: 484
      but can i fold it if i put him on exactly 44 ?
    • helemaalnicks
      helemaalnicks
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      Joined: 21.09.2007 Posts: 7,195
      Originally posted by aanty2000
      but can i fold it if i put him on exactly 44 ?
      yes, but that means you are cheating.

      You can't see his hole cards, so you can never put him on 1 hand.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Actually he can. It´s like my AT2 hand. Had bottom set and opponent SB acted very aggressively. So he must had AT and I should re-re-raise flop and shove on the turn. I started to doubt and called down his weak turn and river bets.
      If the player is passive and his check/raise is so defending then fold on the flop is right thing to do. Just these situations doesn´t come very often that´s why it is always suggested that don´t lay down top two pair or bottom set, because you loose a lot of value here.

      I would suggest- trust your instincts and fold if you believe that you´re behind (that goes to even bottom or middle set)
    • Thorsten77
      Thorsten77
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 12,896
      Don't put your opponent to a single hand, put them on ranges - otherwise you are making wrong decisions. If you can put your opponent to a single hand and are right most of the time, you should move up and play the highest limits ;)